midpack 988 #1 Posted January 3, 2016 When I was putting the chains on my front tires I found a broken wheel bearing. Since I have 2 C-175 I figured I could scavenge a bearing until I could get a new one. except the other wheels had bigger bearings... both machines are the same year, one's a hydro and the other is an 8 speed. The 8 speed has the bigger bearings. Why would they have 2 different sizes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JC 1965 1,532 #2 Posted January 3, 2016 Wow !! That has me puzzled as well. Don't make sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky-(Admin) 22,639 #3 Posted January 3, 2016 Wasn't there a HD spindle kit offered for machines that were slated to have a loader installed? Maybe one of your C-175's has the heavy-duty spindles. Isn't a standard front spindle 5/8ths....and the HD was 3/4's? Not exactly sure about the sizes but the HD spindle kit was WH part# 8-0490. What sizes are yours Mike...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 17,772 #4 Posted January 3, 2016 Thought they should all be 3/4" ID. HD spindles were just the same 3/4" spindle with an extra piece of steel welded into the bend. Are the bearings larger than 3/4" ID or is it the OD that's larger? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalMac 1,332 #5 Posted January 3, 2016 The bearings on the HD kits were bigger. Same ID but OD were bigger with a bigger ball bearing. Thus you also had to have different rims on a HD Kit. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
midpack 988 #6 Posted January 3, 2016 same ID's (3/4) for both, different OD's. I figured the larger ones would have been for more heavy duty applications. there is a different type of hitch on the back of the one with the bigger bearings too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DennisThornton 4,771 #7 Posted January 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, midpack said: same ID's (3/4) for both, different OD's. I figured the larger ones would have been for more heavy duty applications. there is a different type of hitch on the back of the one with the bigger bearings too Oh that begs for more info on the hitch! Some memory cells were revived with wallfish's comment about the additional weldment on the spindles but the bigger bearing, different wheels and hitch is news to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalMac 1,332 #8 Posted January 3, 2016 Dennis it was all part of a kit. Several years ago back before Red Square on another forum this kit was discussed. It was found out that the kit was an exceptional deal. Included the rims, tire's, spindles, and hardware. Several people including me ordered several kits. Toro finally caught on and jacked the price 100 bucks. After about a year they ran out of them. Unfortunately they are NLA. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DennisThornton 4,771 #9 Posted January 3, 2016 7 minutes ago, MalMac said: Dennis it was all part of a kit. Several years ago back before Red Square on another forum this kit was discussed. It was found out that the kit was an exceptional deal. Included the rims, tire's, spindles, and hardware. Several people including me ordered several kits. Toro finally caught on and jacked the price 100 bucks. After about a year they ran out of them. Unfortunately they are NLA. Would have been nice for someone planning on a FEL! Know anything about the hitch differences? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalMac 1,332 #10 Posted January 3, 2016 That's what the kit was offered for. If you were putting a FEL on. Also not get off topic, they also offered a HD a rear axel kit for FEL use. That's another story why that came about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DennisThornton 4,771 #11 Posted January 3, 2016 30 minutes ago, MalMac said: That's what the kit was offered for. If you were putting a FEL on. Also not get off topic, they also offered a HD a rear axel kit for FEL use. That's another story why that came about. And MORE!?! Did the HD kit also have a HD hitch? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalMac 1,332 #12 Posted January 3, 2016 I have never seen anything about a hitch. Not saying there's not something out there I just have not seen anything. The HD axels were because Wheel Horse recommended putting duels on with s FEL. They provided stability from tipping. The duals caused two things to happen. They caused more stress on the axel keys and we're getting wollered out and the bigger problem was the snapping of the rear axel do to the extra leverage put on the axel by the duals. One of the unforeseen problems of HD axels was, instead of axels breaking the actual cast axel housing was cracking. So using duals with the loader causes problems. The duals were just a solution to someone not using good sense with a loader. The old saying you can't fix stupid. Common sense needs to prevail when you got almost 300lbs above you head. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DennisThornton 4,771 #13 Posted January 3, 2016 14 minutes ago, MalMac said: I have never seen anything about a hitch. Not saying there's not something out there I just have not seen anything. The HD axels were because Wheel Horse recommended putting duels on with s FEL. They provided stability from tipping. The duals caused two things to happen. They caused more stress on the axel keys and we're getting wollered out and the bigger problem was the snapping of the rear axel do to the extra leverage put on the axel by the duals. One of the unforeseen problems of HD axels was, instead of axels breaking the actual cast axel housing was cracking. So using duals with the loader causes problems. The duals were just a solution to someone not using good sense with a loader. The old saying you can't fix stupid. Common sense needs to prevail when you got almost 300lbs above you head. Several posts have mentioned issues with dual on WHs. I love the looks but I think of them as unfortunate additional leverage to break something in the transaxle. I'm guessing that on level ground they might not be an issue but unlevel terrain with an additional load high above the usual center of gravity could put a tremendous stress on both the axles and the cast projections housing the axle bearing. So now I am quite curious about what WH did to beef up the transaxle! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
midpack 988 #14 Posted January 4, 2016 Ok, soooooo after finally figuring out it's not the size of each pic but the total amount uploaded. .. here's the hitch. Would a fel need a hydro to work? This machine is manual lift Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,358 #15 Posted January 4, 2016 This may be the bearing https://www.partstree.com/parts/toro/parts/107124/ Notice the tractors listed that used it. Don't have time to check it out right now. One of the HD kits Garry 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
otrelwood 32 #16 Posted January 4, 2016 no you can put fel on any tractor as they have theur own pump to run lift cylinders 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DennisThornton 4,771 #17 Posted January 4, 2016 8 hours ago, midpack said: Ok, soooooo after finally figuring out it's not the size of each pic but the total amount uploaded. .. here's the hitch. Would a fel need a hydro to work? This machine is manual lift This will fix your upload issues: http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/store/ "Supporters" don't have that limitation. 8 hours ago, midpack said: Ok, soooooo after finally figuring out it's not the size of each pic but the total amount uploaded. .. here's the hitch. Would a fel need a hydro to work? This machine is manual lift 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DennisThornton 4,771 #18 Posted January 4, 2016 7 hours ago, gwest_ca said: This may be the bearing https://www.partstree.com/parts/toro/parts/107124/ Notice the tractors listed that used it. Don't have time to check it out right now. One of the HD kits Garry Well Garry, that was very interesting, and as usual, very informative! Both the PDF and "tractors listed" creates even more questions though! The PDF mentions "coated washers so coated sides face each other"! That's interesting! I've read of others using thrust bearings but "coated washers" is new to me! And it seems that bearing was used a lot, and not just in the HD kit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalMac 1,332 #19 Posted January 5, 2016 The coated washer was something of a teflon coating to help it steer easier and take the wear of the FEL on the axel and spindle. I found that with the loader on the tractor I did not notice a difference. I tried the thrust washers and they helped, but soon failed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,358 #20 Posted January 5, 2016 21 hours ago, gwest_ca said: This may be the bearing https://www.partstree.com/parts/toro/parts/107124/ Notice the tractors listed that used it. Don't have time to check it out right now. One of the HD kits Garry The on-line part lists are all we have for the models listed and they are shared by similar models so it is hard to determine what was used where. An original parts list would have the bearings and wheels properly identified. This service bulletin offers a clue as to where they were possibly used http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/files/file/143-wh61-90-407-hubcap-washer-on-hd-front-wheelspdf/ Will hazard a guess that other tractor manufactures at the time also used this wheel and bearing combination. Anyone know what the bearing OD is? Somewhere I saw where it is flanged. Garry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
midpack 988 #21 Posted January 8, 2016 Spindles have a reinforced axle, plus they're 1" longer Difference in bearings 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TDF5G 2,072 #22 Posted January 11, 2016 Very interesting and very educational! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farmer 1,078 #23 Posted January 31, 2016 On 8 January 2016 at 9:46 PM, midpack said: Spindles have a reinforced axle, plus they're 1" longer Difference in bearings These heavy duty spindles/bearings are fitted on my 512D, I guess due to the weight of the Diesel engine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
