Akestner 36 #1 Posted August 9, 2015 So I bought a tiller for my 416-8 which is an 89 not sure of the serial number I bought a tiller that is a 36TL01 my problem is the idler pulley bracket hits the bottom of where the bar is on my pto shaft I seen a picture that shows it on a b series it looks like I need to grind off some metal around the bottom of the pto but I wanted to double check and see if there was a better way to do it first Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slammer302 2,154 #2 Posted August 9, 2015 a picture of what you have going on would help Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmsgaffer 2,043 #3 Posted August 9, 2015 Should not need to grind anything. Tillers are tricky, get us a few different angle pictures of your idler assembly installed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akestner 36 #4 Posted August 9, 2015 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akestner 36 #5 Posted August 9, 2015 I should also add that I didn't get the springs with the tiller either I found the info on the lift assist spring but I need the info on the idler pulley spring I found a pic of the idler pulley hooked up on a b series and looking at the angle the mount is in the way bc I was trying to mimic the picture that I saw unless I can do it a different way Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P3x 55 #6 Posted August 9, 2015 Hi Akestner,Not sure I understand the interference issue you're having. Have a tiller I use on a 520H. The tiller idler bracket arm with the spring hole is positioned approximately 3:30 position if looking straight on at it. Picture attached.Good luck,P3x TillerIdlerPulley2PTO Install.png Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WNYPCRepair 1,875 #7 Posted August 9, 2015 What does it look like with the belt on? The part that is hitting should not hit that bracket. There are also 2 holes for the idler pulley, I had to move mine. Maybe this post will help Hi Akestner,Not sure I understand the interference issue you're having. Have a tiller I use on a 520H. The tiller idler bracket arm with the spring hole is positioned approximately 3:30 position if looking straight on at it. Picture attached.Good luck,P3x TillerIdlerPulley2PTO Install.png If I remember correctly, that is what mine looked like also. Reposting picture to embed it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akestner 36 #8 Posted August 9, 2015 I understand the pulley setup the problem is mine is different my pulleys look like this This is NOT my tractor but I have the same style pulleys my tiller is a 76 and I'm trying to put them on my 416-8 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WNYPCRepair 1,875 #9 Posted August 9, 2015 Just bend the arm out 1/4" to clear, all it does is hold a spring to keep tension on the idler 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DennisThornton 4,769 #10 Posted August 9, 2015 I'm with WNYPCRepair. Looks like a little bend will solve your issue.Dennis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akestner 36 #11 Posted August 9, 2015 Didn't think about that I guess I will what should I do for a spring though Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akestner 36 #12 Posted August 9, 2015 Does anyone know the spring size for the idler pulleys Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doc724 924 #13 Posted August 9, 2015 Akestner, There is a couple of things going on here. First, for the idler that you have (the two arms are at 12 and 9 o'clock when looking at it mounted), the spring pulls back toward the footrest. Put a long bolt and nut where the lower mounting hole is for the belt guide and hook the spring to that. My spring is 2.5-3 inches long with no extenstions on the ends (just simple hooks). Second, some of these idlers (the ones with arms at 9 and 3 o'clock) have two mounting holed for the idler pulley, one for single cylinder and one for two cylinder engines. The best thing to do is down load a couple of tiller manuals from the manual section. The idler you have is for an older tiller. Pull up the parts lists first and look at the pictures, that will give you the info you need (and also the P/N for the correct spring) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akestner 36 #14 Posted August 9, 2015 The guy I bought it from used it on his 520 but I didn't get any springs with it I was going to just get a spring from the hardware store I bought one today that I think is the right size I appreciate the info Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmsgaffer 2,043 #15 Posted August 10, 2015 Look under the tractor at the attachmatic and make sure the unit is centered with the collars on the inside of the attachmatic hooks. Sometimes it can seem centered when latched but it was offset just a bit.If it is, then I would go with the slight-bend as mentioned above. If the PO had it on his 520 though, you should be able to fit it on your 416! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akestner 36 #16 Posted August 10, 2015 I got it on and working now I actually posted another thread about it what a pain it was to put on, glad I bought another horse to keep it on Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
