snowhound 103 #1 Posted October 27, 2014 Has anyone tried the dual wheel kit that Miller Tire sells? I have a C145 whit a FEL that I want to put duals on for stability.. Ed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nathanielperz 150 #2 Posted October 28, 2014 before you spend your money... if you have a welder you can make some pretty easily! -Nate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowhound 103 #3 Posted October 28, 2014 That's the thing I don't have a welder nor do I know anything about welding. I'd like to learn but the garage I use as a shop only has a 30 amp service and at this time I don't have the funds to have the house service ugraded so I can get more to the garage. I was looking at the Miller Tire kit because it is in my price range but I know nothing about the style that Miller sells. Ed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nathanielperz 150 #4 Posted October 29, 2014 Oh that's too bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shallowwatersailor 3,213 #5 Posted October 29, 2014 I believe that it is a slice from a 10" or 12" PVC pipe and carriage bolts. Check the recent thread about broken axles with duals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowhound 103 #6 Posted October 29, 2014 I took a look at the recent thread about broken axles with duals and it does have me rethinking. I was going the dual path because my lot is very uneven and sometimes the C145 with the FEL feels top heavy even with the bucket just off the ground. I do have a weight box but don't have the rear tires loaded or any wheel weights so I will start with loading the tires with RV antifreeze and see how that works. If anyone has any other ideas I'd like to hear them. Ed 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geno 1,928 #7 Posted October 29, 2014 That's the thing I don't have a welder nor do I know anything about welding. I'd like to learn but the garage I use as a shop only has a 30 amp service and at this time I don't have the funds to have the house service ugraded so I can get more to the garage. I was looking at the Miller Tire kit because it is in my price range but I know nothing about the style that Miller sells. Ed There are 120 volt migs that will work on a 30A service. I have one that I used to use for on site jobs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMC RULES 36,957 #8 Posted October 29, 2014 Check the recent thread about broken axles with duals. Share the link please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMCIII 838 #9 Posted October 29, 2014 Since we are talking duals, I have to ask this..... I completely understand the need for duals and sometimes triples in farming...... BUT, wth, do you need duals for on a garden tractor other than it LOOKS REALLY COOL? If you load the wheels and put the proper wieght in the rear, I have yet to find something that I could not push or pulll, with the GT using the origional set up! Unless you are going beyond factory specs, or you are using a 12" molbord plow, or a 6' disc, there really should be no need for a dual set up IMHO!!!! I would have to guess, that unless you dropped the pressure in the primary tires, you would have maybe 25lbs of grip on each dual. Just does not make any sense to me. Please help me see the light! Just a farm boy working in the city, trying to make it back to the farm, to make a livin! Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowhound 103 #10 Posted October 29, 2014 Search for hardened axles in Transmissions and Transaxles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMCIII 838 #11 Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Search for hardened axles in Transmissions and Transaxles Is that an answer to my question? I understand the FEL need...... But the dual kit need for a GT in the 80-90% range of use is well overkill and maybe even useless. Especiall when it needs additional HP to turn the duals at only 25lbs. of force...... Again, I get the FEL.....also, moldboard plow, disc, and maybe even some other field application, beyond that..... why? Rob Edited October 29, 2014 by RMCIII Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMC RULES 36,957 #12 Posted October 30, 2014 Here's the link Rob... old saying goes... if we have to explain it... you just wouldn't understand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMCIII 838 #13 Posted October 30, 2014 Here's the link Rob... old saying goes... if we have to explain it... you just wouldn't understand. Exactly my first point... It looks really cool! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalMac 1,328 #14 Posted October 30, 2014 RMC, to answer your question, duals are used on big tractors to help with keeping the ground from compaction. Yes they help somewhat in traction. A single tire set up will sink in the field easier and compact the soil which is a no no. Simple spread the weight out = less compaction. Plus in muddy conditions keeps equipment from sinking = less chance for getting stuck. On a light weight garden tractor they are basically useless. Wheel Horse recommend duals for FEL use because they added stability but caused more leverage on the axles and caused them to break. They came out with a harden axel to overcome this but then started having transmission case's breaking instead of axels. All this came about because the legal department had to make the tractor more stable for the idiot that could not figure out the center of gravity was a lot higher with the bucket up off the ground. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMCIII 838 #15 Posted October 30, 2014 Mal - Thanks... The question was just intended for GT's... I'm a farm boy, so that's why I asked the question, WHY duals on a GT. Completely understand the need for them in an agriculture application...Compaction and traction is what one looks to reduce and gain in the fields..... I think the best actual "need" that I saw in the link Craig sent was of Ian's set-up, and the 2 guys that had the moldboard plows attached..... Other than that, they do LOOK COOL! I think Jason had, "IMHO" the best set of duals. No spacers, actual rim with extended lip that mounts inside the primary rim.... Jason, where did you find them??? Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMCIII 838 #16 Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Snow -sorry, did not mean to hijack your thread...Since the thread mentioned duals I was just wondering the actual "need" vs. looks.... Personally I do like the looks, but just can't seem to find an application where I would need them right now..... Maybe if I had an acre or 2 garden, then I would definately need them.. Edited October 30, 2014 by RMCIII Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shallowwatersailor 3,213 #17 Posted October 30, 2014 I took a look at the recent thread about broken axles with duals and it does have me rethinking. I was going the dual path because my lot is very uneven and sometimes the C145 with the FEL feels top heavy even with the bucket just off the ground. I do have a weight box but don't have the rear tires loaded or any wheel weights so I will start with loading the tires with RV antifreeze and see how that works. If anyone has any other ideas I'd like to hear them. Ed Two other ideas: Use 23X10.50-12 tires and 8" wide rims. Get a pair of 1" or 1.5" wheel spacers which would increase the rear track by 2" or 3." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmsgaffer 2,043 #18 Posted October 30, 2014 As long as you are getting spacers, might as well and grab a set of rims (and tires if you can) from a newer john deere with the 24x12x12 That will lower your ground pressure and give you a few extra inches width. You just wont be able to run chains and might have to adjust your fender clearance just a touch... I feel like some people here have the super wides on. Some of them have widened their own rims, so it just depends on how much work you want to put in... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
