Hodge71 663 #1 Posted March 24, 2014 Ok guys what do I need to make a Tiller work on my C-160 8 Speed? I have found one for sale locally with the idler pulley set up but I know theres some stuff I need out back... The manual helped me a little but pics of what is needed would be great....While I'm not quite ready to till quite yet, I am thinking about turning it into a tiller only tractor..at least for the spring and I see how well the 18 Auto does with the 60" deck on it on the 6 acres I have to cut now. Also any things I should loo for to make sure the tiller Im looking at is in good shape...If I remember correctly gearbox seals were an issue.. Thanks in advance for all your help ..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,170 #2 Posted March 24, 2014 The tines are the big factor. They should have a right angle bend and the horizontal piece should have a flat end NOT come to a point. Seals are not an issue they are a standard CR i have the numbers here somewhere if you need them. Making it a dedicated tiller tractor is a good idea...the are not easy to mount/dismount. I will go down and take a few pictures of mine...if it ever warms up!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,170 #3 Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) Some pics...I didn't want to start her up and back her out as she has 30w in her and it is still cold.The tines on this are decent...not new. If the tines come to point on the end instead of blunt like these they are worn out and expensive to replace. You need a snow plow mounting bracket, rock shaft and some chains, shackles and an eyebolt to hook to the rock shaft lift and the helper spring...which you will want the beast is heavy!!! You know about the front pulley and shaft that mount in the tachmatic. (The belt is about $65 as i recall from Toro) Edit: There are some plans on here for welding up a rockshaft..I have a welder now... throw it in your truck and bring it up we will get it fixed up!! Edited March 24, 2014 by pfrederi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hodge71 663 #4 Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) Making it a dedicated tiller tractor really wasn't my plan in the beginning Paul. I love mowing with that 160 for some reason.... Ive been looking for a tiller for the D for sometime now to no avail so its going to be the plan for now....Thank you very much for the pics ...Is there some sort of tube with a cable inside it that goes over top of the axle somehow? Or am I thinking about the the cable for the clevis hitch? Edited March 24, 2014 by hodge71 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 10,523 #5 Posted March 24, 2014 This is the manual for the tiller that fits the C-160 The bulletins at the end are for fitting it to other model years. Garry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,170 #6 Posted March 24, 2014 Its the same cable instead of pulling the slot and clevis hitch it pulls on the rock shaft, which is then hooked to the tiller via a chain. Its not impossible to take it on and off just more difficult than most other attachments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,170 #7 Posted March 24, 2014 http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/index.php/topic/21008-rockshaft-under-seat-for-tiller-clevis-hitch/?&hl=rockshaft&fromsearch=1 Some posts on rock shafts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
groundhog47 347 #8 Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) Of course most important the under axel attachment as listed and the mule that attaches at mid mount (several varieties available) and it's tension spring, and then the all important drive belt (pricey if not good/with it)(I woukd suggest taking all rig attached to belt store as idler pullies may have been changed to different sizes) There are several rear attachment methods after hooking to rear axel attachment, one has an eye bolt and HEAVY sping (same as on some snow blowers) Like Garry says.......manual...and you really need the modle number. I believe auto was a different set up on past 70's ( different mule), so you might assume the mule would work on 75 standard, don't believe would. If you can't get a model number post a photo some one will ID it, I'm only familiar with the 7-1251 and 7-1252 36" Tillers pfrederi looks to have a newer model that attaches like the 7-1252 Edited March 24, 2014 by groundhog47 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hodge71 663 #9 Posted March 25, 2014 Oh boy I am really confused now...My C-160 8 speed is a 1974...I think what I am seeing is that I will not have a rockshaft setup as needed with the post 76 tractors.... but Im confused with the pulley/mule. All I know is there are 2 tiller that this gentleman is selling....1 is for the pre 1973 machines and the other is for the post 1973 machines..... How I tell the 2 apart I have no clue....Gerry is saying the mule is different for an auto vs 8 speed...whats the difference? How can I be sure I get the right one? I guess I only need a tube/cable then for the rear lift? Where do I find one of those or dimensions to make one? This seems to have just gotten really complicated and I really dont want to spend 300 bucks on a tiller that I cannot use.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,170 #10 Posted March 25, 2014 The tines on the left tiller in Picture 2 are worn out... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hodge71 663 #11 Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) The tines on the left tiller in Picture 2 are worn out... That may be ok Paul as I believe that is the 1969 tiller...at least according to the guy selling them. He told me the 1974 tiller is on the right Edited...just looked at his email again and it looks as if the 1974 tiller is the one on the left Paul...I guess I'm screwed again Edited March 25, 2014 by hodge71 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
groundhog47 347 #12 Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) The mule for standard is 3rd pic bottom (newer model and fourth picture bottom (don't see tension spring)(older style), the other two I think are for auto, not certain or tensioner idler as none on tiller and prob are axel attach brackets per manual You'd have to use axel attach bracket or get the bracket that mounts idler to tow rame. Belts then you'd have to rty and fit up unless the belts there wer set up with mid mount mule. I would guess now maybe 7-1211 Tiller (check that one on implements/ground engaging (page four). The newer I fefer to is 7-1252 and higher, older is 7-1251 and below The newer tiller attaches on the cover or shroud and has two washer like stops welded to end of draw bar that attaches under axel, the older has a rod/bar with lift hole and is attached to ":A" shaped draw bar frame that attaches under axel. (or in case of older than that to axel attach frame front) I'm confusing me too! Edited March 25, 2014 by groundhog47 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,170 #13 Posted March 25, 2014 I am confused by the pictures but if you look closely at teh hitch in picture 3 it has a small hole in the left hand side That would seem to match the parts picture for a model 7-1211 which is for 68-73 tractors. The 1974 and later do not seem to have that hole, but there is an additional cross brace not seen on the older ones. In 75 the cross brace was made diagonal 7-1252 I can't copy the picture from the PDF file but look at the manuals here for 7-1211 and 7-1251 0r 7-1252 Picture 3 does not have the cross brace and has the hole so I guess it is 7-1211 (68-73) and in pic6 the hitch is covered with snow so I cannot tell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
groundhog47 347 #14 Posted March 25, 2014 I am confused by the pictures but if you look closely at teh hitch in picture 3 it has a small hole in the left hand side That would seem to match the parts picture for a model 7-1211 which is for 68-73 tractors. The 1974 and later do not seem to have that hole, but there is an additional cross brace not seen on the older ones. In 75 the cross brace was made diagonal 7-1252 I can't copy the picture from the PDF file but look at the manuals here for 7-1211 and 7-1251 0r 7-1252 Picture 3 does not have the cross brace and has the hole so I guess it is 7-1211 (68-73) and in pic6 the hitch is covered with snow so I cannot tell Here is pic of "A" frame for 7-1252 borrowed from griff's post some time back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,170 #15 Posted March 25, 2014 Not being confused enough here are some parts diagrams. The oldest 7-1211 has the small hole in the hitch shaft and no extra cross member The 1973/74 #7-1251 no hole in the hitch shaft and a horizontal cross member Lastly 1975 and on ##7-1252 No hole and the cross member is diagonal. I cannot see the hitch on the one covered with snow. Are there no model number tags on either one??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hodge71 663 #16 Posted March 25, 2014 Its starting to clear up a bit now Paul...Wondering if I may be better off putting this on my boys Charger 12 as that tiller seems to be in better shape.... Or just not doing it and forgoing the garden. The last thing I need right now is money tied up in a tiller I can't use. AS far as tags..I emailed him and he never got back to me yet.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brandonozz 168 #17 Posted March 27, 2014 I feel your pain Jeff about looking for a tiller for a D. I let not one but two slip thru my hands while trying to get my D up and running and there just not something that pops up often around here. One hit CL a few days ago and when I went to call the next morning about 10 AM the post was already gone. Heck if I called at 8 AM I still wouldn't have got there quick enough as it was 150 miles away! Good luck with your search. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
