416H

[ML3 2,364]

Picked this up yesterday. Was only an hour away. Seller said it was sitting for a few years so he had it serviced to get it running. Was asking $800. Got there & cranked w/no start. Ended up getting it for $300! Got it home & after using my small benchtop 20v blower to pressurize fuel tank it started right up! Everything appears to function. This will be new tractor to use with my Bervac. After the heat wave is over I'll go through it addressing maintenance & any possible needed repairs. Paint is faded so hopefully I can get it reconditioned.  

 

Have to get manuals printed off & definitely wanna address the "known issues" with this model. Onans are all new to me. 

Edited 20 hours ago by ML3

[JCM 11,239]

That red should come back with some elbow grease and determination.   Good Luck with it.    

[peter lena 9,924]

@ML3  perfect stage / condition  for this , done this on my  3 horses , and any  similar  faded / neglected  anything I pick up , base line  simplicity , penetrating  aerosol  spray down , all / every  area  , like to  leave it in hot sun  for hours , to heat up absorb . deeply into  paint base , nothing about this is  quick , days in  , try a spot  with a clean , mineral oil  , cloth  rub down , if it  breaks  thru , suden clean / clear  color depth  , you are on your way .  like a 6" electric palm buffer  , with a  cleaner wax  , don,t push it  , has to  be easily  shown , once mine have shown themselves ,  I  only  gently  rub it down  with a clean cloth  and mineral  oil , cloth  stays clean / clear , no dust or dirt , many years in on this , no rust or faded paint  , fearful  /  worried ?   try a  small area  , thats how I started  ,  give it a try , pete   

 

[ebinmaine 79,392]

1 hour ago, ML3 said:

Onans are all new to me. 

 

Good engines when properly maintained just like many others.  

On a WH it's the 20 HP that has the more common issues due to lack of cleaning and overheating.  

The 16 HP is less prone. 

 

The New to the Herd list might help some.  

 

 

[parsonsponyz 367]

Looks like a nice addition to your herd.  You'll have the paint shining in no time.

[Handy Don 16,843]

Nice find!

I”ve not seen a 416 with the 6” wheels and a 37” deck mounted before.

As noted above, Onans will serve you well if you take care of maintenance and cleaning.

The fuel does drain back if left for a couple of weeks, but the pump works fine once the engine is running. To that end, we added an outboard motor squeeze bulb to the fuel line. Give it two or three squeezes (it’ll get firm once the carb is fully fueled) and then the tractor starts right up.

Edited 23 hours ago by Handy Don

[lynnmor 8,870]

27 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

 

Good engines when properly maintained just like many others.  

On a WH it's the 20 HP that has the more common issues due to lack of cleaning and overheating.  

The 16 HP is less prone. 

 

The New to the Herd list might help some.  

 

 

The 20 HP has .030" more lift on the intake lobe and the carburetor has slightly different jetting.  The idea that the 20 has more problems, in my opinion, is just Wisdom of the Crowd.

[ML3 2,364]

2 hours ago, Handy Don said:

Nice find!

I”ve not seen a 416 with the 6” wheels and a 37” deck mounted before.

As noted above, Onans will serve you well if you take care of maintenance and cleaning.

The fuel does drain back if left for a couple of weeks, but the pump works fine once the engine is running. To that end, we added an outboard motor squeeze bulb to the fuel line. Give it two or three squeezes (it’ll get firm once the carb is fully fueled) and then the tractor starts right up.

I never have seen the smaller wheels on a 416 either but I'm by no means an expert. Might swap out wheels from the Workhorse.  

 

The deck when fully raised rubs at front of rear tires. 

[Handy Don 16,843]

5 hours ago, ML3 said:

I'm by no means an expert. Might swap out wheels from the Workhorse

Me neither!

The tricks with the 37” deck are the angled, 2-blade setup (which needs the smaller front wheels for clearance on left turns!) and the capacity to run vac-lift blades that permit bagging without a bulky, separately powered chute. These are valuable features to some folks. 

If you choose to switch to the 8” wheels, you’ll want to switch the spindles, too, to keep things level. They are an inch shorter for the 8” wheels. Of course, then you'll have to switch to a 42, 48, or 60” deck! Some members want the taller 6” spindles with the 8” wheels when they go to larger (i.e. 24 or 25 inch) rear wheels. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Handy Don

[953 nut 67,073]

10 hours ago, ML3 said:

after using my small benchtop 20v blower to pressurize fuel tank it started right up!

Sounds like a good candidate for an electric fuel pump.

[Bill D 2,974]

The 416H is my favorite tractor, but it does have some issues.   Here's what I do to mine:

1.  Install a foot pedal control.   I hate the hand controls,  especially on that model.  I built my own, but there are a couple you can buy.  Huge improvement. 

2.  Install a new fuel pump.  Since OEM Onan pumps are not available,  and I don't trust the Chinese knock offs, I  installed a Kawasaki pump as shown.

3.  If the 9 pin isn't burnt, clean it and put Noalox on the pins.  If it's burnt,  replace it with Packard connector.   You only need seven of the nine pins on the 416.  I used a 5 pin and 2 pin connector, but 8 pin connectors are available.  

4.  Run a wire from the battery positive on the starter to the voltage regulator/rectifier to take the load off the 9 pin.   Fuse it as shown in the pictures. I used the unused white wire for the cylinder head temp sensor.

5.  Clean the carb carfully.   Take out the main jet and clean everything thoroughly. 

6.  I have removed, split and  resealed the intake using Motoseal.  If it has enough hours on it to be due for a decarbon and valve adjustment then that would be an ideal time to reseal the manifold. 

 

Just some thoughts.  How many hours on it?

 

 

[ML3 2,364]

2 hours ago, Bill D said:

The 416H is my favorite tractor, but it does have some issues.   Here's what I do to mine:

1.  Install a foot pedal control.   I hate the hand controls,  especially on that model.  I built my own, but there are a couple you can buy.  Huge improvement. 

2.  Install a new fuel pump.  Since OEM Onan pumps are not available,  and I don't trust the Chinese knock offs, I  installed a Kawasaki pump as shown.

3.  If the 9 pin isn't burnt, clean it and put Noalox on the pins.  If it's burnt,  replace it with Packard connector.   You only need seven of the nine pins on the 416.  I used a 5 pin and 2 pin connector, but 8 pin connectors are available.  

4.  Run a wire from the battery positive on the starter to the voltage regulator/rectifier to take the load off the 9 pin.   Fuse it as shown in the pictures. I used the unused white wire for the cylinder head temp sensor.

5.  Clean the carb carfully.   Take out the main jet and clean everything thoroughly. 

6.  I have removed, split and  resealed the intake using Motoseal.  If it has enough hours on it to be due for a decarbon and valve adjustment then that would be an ideal time to reseal the manifold. 

 

Just some thoughts.  How many hours on it?

 

 

Definitely will do a foot pedal control- I dont like the lever. Ill have to see who sells them.

 

Likely will do the electric fuel pump also.

 

9 pin appears to look fine but weather here has been too hot for me to be out inspecting it just yet. 

 

Ill definitely do the wiring modification to help take load off 9pin

 

Carb was supposedly cleaned recently. It starts easy & runs/idles good. 

 

Hours are unknown. Hour meter isnt installed. I would guess by overall condition maybe under 1000hrs??? Idk. Doing valve adjustment makes sense.

 

[Bill D 2,974]

I've built my own hydro pedal setups.  Search Hydro Pedal #1, #2, or #3 and you should find the threads.  I can't seem to figure out how to attach links.  Feel free to copy my design at your own risk.  Not comfortable selling them due to liability issues.

 

I also change over to LED headlights to take addition load off the nine pin connector.   Check your fuse box for melted fuse holders.

Edited 1 hour ago by Bill D

[953 nut 67,073]

23 minutes ago, Bill D said:

I can't seem to figure out how to attach links.

To attach a link to your own (or other threads) you can open that thread, highlight the address at the top, right click COPY, return to the thread you want to post it in and right click again then hit PASTE. Magickly it will appear.

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by 953 nut
fat finger

[ebinmaine 79,392]

35 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

To attach a link to your own (or other threads) you can open that thread

 

On my Android phone it's different. 

 

You touch and hold the address bar at the top for a second or two and a little black/ grey window appears that states 

 

Copied to clipboard. 

 

Here's a screenshot of this very thread. 

 

 

 

 

Then you touch & hold the text window where you want to insert the copied link.  

 

 

 

Touch "Paste"

And the link is inserted.  

 

Note:

THIS PROCEDURE CHANGES OCCASIONALLY BECAUSE OF UPDATES.  

 

[953 nut 67,073]

32 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

my Android phone

I had heard some    owned an Android, now I know who!