16 Auto with welded hub

[ineedanother 2,118]

I figured I would start a new thread here since I've never seen this before. This 16 auto came in a package deal as a bit of a bonus IMO. It's nearly original, smoke-free k341, straight metal, hydraulics work but the lift cylinder leaks and I haven't investigated that yet. The biggest issue is that a slipping hub was welded to the axle . It should be a 10 pinion LSD and has 1 1/8" axles. I have a spare gearbox on the shelf but want to see how bad this axle actually is...

 

[ebinmaine 78,410]

4 minutes ago, ineedanother said:

10 pinion LSD

 

That was the changeover year. 

Might have a standard 8 speed open differential.  

 

 

5 minutes ago, ineedanother said:

biggest issue is that a slipping hub was welded to the axle

 

Carefully cut your existing hub off. 

Get a clamp on hub from Lincoln at A to Z Tractor in PA.  

 

 

 

[ri702bill 11,938]

45 minutes ago, ineedanother said:

The biggest issue is that a slipping hub

The second issue is that it has an "all-or-nuttin" electric clutch. Not my favorite.....

Grind off that booger-snot weld & remove the hub to see how bad the axle is......

Edited 14 hours ago by ri702bill

[ineedanother 2,118]

15 minutes ago, ri702bill said:

The second issue is that it has an "all-or-nuttin" electric clutch. Not my favorite.....

Grind off that booger-snot weld & remove the hub to see how bad the axle is......

Agreed. I have another auto that had been converted away from the electric clutch and I was fine with that, but I have to say that this came with a FEL and the clutch seems to be ideal for that. On or off. Smooth.

[ri702bill 11,938]

10 minutes ago, ineedanother said:

nd the clutch seems to be ideal for that. On or off. Smooth.

Probably the only implement you can say that about!! The engagement is usually too harsh.

[midpack 1,131]

I love the soft start module on my electric PTO, I got it before the cost went crazy

[ineedanother 2,118]

Some 24 grit grinding got me down to the axle but whoever did this evidently did quite a bit to chamfer the inside of the hub to lay a bunch of weld in there. I'm about to put the puller on it and see what gives. I'm thinking there won't be much to save given what I see at this point.

[ineedanother 2,118]

I don't have my big impact driver here so I might just put the wheels back on and go pop some wheelies 

[ebinmaine 78,410]

Get a metal blade in ya sawzall and go at it. 

[ineedanother 2,118]

Well, I pulled the set screw, there was no key there so I spun the wheels and it broke loose. Now to look and see what I've got...

Edited 12 hours ago by ineedanother

[ineedanother 2,118]

It cam right off once it was broken loose and is pretty much what I expected, but was hoping I wouldn't find. Unsalvageable axle. 

[ebinmaine 78,410]

10 minutes ago, ineedanother said:

Unsalvageable axle

 

2 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

Get a clamp on hub from Lincoln at A to Z Tractor in PA. 

 

 

[WHX?? 56,211]

I would think a A-Z clamp on might work on that. Sure he don't give them away but you figure by the time you find a replacement and taking it all apart??? Weld the hole shut file smooth?? 

[ineedanother 2,118]

15 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

I would think a A-Z clamp on might work on that. Sure he don't give them away but you figure by the time you find a replacement and taking it all apart??? Weld the hole shut file smooth?? 

I think I would give A-Z a shot if I didn't have another one sitting right here but swapping it out is hard to argue against since that one has been rebuilt. I know what I have now which was today's exercise. 

[Bar Nuthin 2,330]

I had bad axles on my C-120 Auto. I used the clamp on hubs as a repair, but they too eventually began to slip - while doing some heavy plowing.

 

I ended up replacing the differential assembly (w/good axles). A member here had some spares and made me a good deal.

Was an easy fix. You can remove the RH transaxle casing (on the tractor) while leaving all the gears in place.

I went ahead and installed new axle seals while I was at it. And, of course, you'll need to replace at least one hub.

Edited 11 hours ago by Bar Nuthin

[ineedanother 2,118]

2 hours ago, midpack said:

I love the soft start module on my electric PTO, I got it before the cost went crazy

I've not seen that and would be interested if you have any current insight...

[ineedanother 2,118]

2 minutes ago, Bar Nuthin said:

I had bad axles on my C-120 Auto. I used the clamp on hubs as a repair, but they too eventually began to slip - while doing some heavy plowing.

 

I ended up replacing the differential assembly (w/good axles). A member here had some spares and made me a good deal.

Was an easy fix. You can remove the RH transaxle casing without while leaving all the gears in place.

I went ahead and installed new axle seals while I was at it. And, of course, you'll need to replace at least one hub.

Yeah, I think I actually have bearings and seals here which is why I was hoping the axle was salvageable. I have a milling machine at work and could have cut a new keyway in that axle had it not been butchered to this extent.

[Bar Nuthin 2,330]

1 minute ago, ineedanother said:

Yeah, I think I actually have bearings and seals here which is why I was hoping the axle was salvageable. I have a milling machine at work and could have cut a new keyway in that axle had it not been butchered to this extent.

Too bad you're not closer.

I just picked up a rear end from a C-160 that looks to have good axles.  I bought it for the hydraulic lift components.

 

      

[WHX?? 56,211]

12 minutes ago, Bar Nuthin said:

I used the clamp on hubs as a repair, but they too eventually began to slip

I was under the understanding they were bullet proof? Maybe not?? 

 

10 minutes ago, ineedanother said:

have a milling machine at work and could have cut a new keyway in that axle

You stlll could ... remove it build it back up with weld, turn it to size and cut keyway. 

 

Course all that work I have Sunnys I was gonna damn near give away at the BS. 

[ineedanother 2,118]

1 minute ago, Bar Nuthin said:

Too bad you're not closer.

I just picked up a rear end from a C-160 that looks to have good axles.  I bought it for the hydraulic lift components.

 

       

That's a good find and somewhat rare here in NC. I have a couple and really like them. I've torn them down and cleaned them up so I understand the engineering and physics. That welded cylinder is a challenge now for me. I think at this point there is good value in the cylinders with the threaded end to make rebuilds easier, not requiring cutting and re-welding.

[ineedanother 2,118]

9 minutes ago, Bar Nuthin said:

Too bad you're not closer.

I just picked up a rear end from a C-160 that looks to have good axles.  I bought it for the hydraulic lift components.    

 

 I'll tear this one down at some point and look for an axle if everything else checks out. Not sure I'll go to the extent of welding and turning. We don't have a lathe big enough in our shop at work (not a machine shop, just maintenance).

[Bar Nuthin 2,330]

3 minutes ago, ineedanother said:

That welded cylinder is a challenge now for me. I think at this point there is good value in the cylinders with the threaded end to make rebuilds easier, not requiring cutting and re-welding.

I sent one of the welded cylinders to Lowell at wheelhorse parts and more. He cuts them open and refurbishes them. Came back good as new, maybe better.

I now have a few of each type. I just ordered two seal kits for the serviceable type.

[ineedanother 2,118]

3 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

That was the changeover year. 

Might have a standard 8 speed open differential.  

 

Hey Eric, do you happen to know by spec or otherwise how to identify that? I'm definitely curious.

[WHX?? 56,211]

1 minute ago, ineedanother said:

 I'll tear this one down at some point and look for an axle

Prolly your  best bet if your not afraid to tear into it. 

What kinda shape is the hub in. Guessing trashed?? 

[ineedanother 2,118]

4 minutes ago, Bar Nuthin said:

I sent one of the welded cylinders to Lowell at wheelhorse parts and more. He cuts them open and refurbishes them. Came back good as new, maybe better.

I now have a few of each type. I just ordered two seal kits for the serviceable type.

Yeah, that's great that he does that. I sent one to him but he felt like the pitting on the rod was too much so I just replaced it. Not many places will touch that for what he charges so huge kudos to him for doing that for us.