Start Gen repair and pulley removal tips?

[Sparky-(Admin) 24,035]

Starting on the 857’s starter gen repair. The rebuild video on YouTube never mentions the pulley…and tips or tricks to get it off without destroying it? 
  

 

[Sparky-(Admin) 24,035]

Alright…PB Blaster and some screwdriver/hammer work and she is coming loose! 
 

[Sparky-(Admin) 24,035]

Watched a video…why does my project not go the same way the one in the video goes . 
  My end cap is off but the pulley that I should be driving outa the end cap stayed on the shaft.

  

[WHX?? 53,394]

4 hours ago, Sparky said:

Watched a video…why does my project not go the same way the one in the video goes . 

Because your watching stupid videos instead of insulting the guys here.

Bearing collar or wood wedges behind the pulley hub. Put the screwdrivers down and slowly step away.

The pulley and woodruff MUST come off first. Don't worry about mangling the woodruff ... common but guard the nut like it is your wedding ring. 

It puts the rear end back on until the front end is off. Too much wobble can mar the armature. 

SG rookies like you make idiots like me  wonder  why I never did that SG instructional. 

Edited Sunday at 11:07 PM by WHX??

[sqrlgtr 1,372]

30 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

make idiots like me  wonder  why I never did that SG instructional. 

 

It's never too late to make video! I for one would like to see that done. Shucks @WHX?? its wintertime and would be a good time to do it. Besides dat the days are going to be getting longer from here on out for a little while anyhows.Icant speak for other things but KNow fur sure u no idiot when it comes to Wheel Horses'

Edited Sunday at 11:22 PM by sqrlgtr

[Sparky-(Admin) 24,035]

1 hour ago, WHX?? said:

 

The pulley and woodruff MUST come off first. Don't worry about mangling the woodruff ... common but guard the nut like it is your wedding ring. 

It puts the rear end back on until the front end is off. Too much wobble can mar the armature. 

 

Hmm…good info. Tomorrow I’ll reassemble and try to get the woodruff out before moving forward 

[clueless 3,334]

15 hours ago, WHX?? said:

Because your watching stupid videos instead of insulting the guys here.

Bearing collar or wood wedges behind the pulley hub. Put the screwdrivers down and slowly step away.

The pulley and woodruff MUST come off first. Don't worry about mangling the woodruff ... common but guard the nut like it is your wedding ring. 

It puts the rear end back on until the front end is off. Too much wobble can mar the armature. 

SG rookies like you make idiots like me  wonder  why I never did that SG instructional. 

Makes idiots like me wonder why you haven't. "Just Do It"

[WHX?? 53,394]

What's the matter with it Sparky just bearings? 

14 hours ago, sqrlgtr said:

fur sure u no idiot when it comes to Wheel Horses'

I'd beg to differ on that!

I've done quite a few of them tho since I am a mid sixties freak with tractors that have them. Mostly just cleaning, replacing bearings & brushes. 

I'll start putting together pictures. 

[Sparky-(Admin) 24,035]

50 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

What's the matter with it Sparky just bearings? 

 

 
  Yeah, one of the bearings is crazy loud. Now that I’ve messed with it I’m sure it’s the one behind the pulley. But I have both so it’ll get both replaced. It has always started the 857 just fine and charges perfectly, but it’s loud.  

[peter lena 9,575]

@ sparky   solid vertical mount for gen , maybe  a couple f WONDER BARS , if they can remove  mower deck  spindle pulleys , that equal double leverage pull point  might just do it , don't forget  lucas green chassis grease  has a 550 degree  drop point  also  polyurea , anti sling rated , not had a failure  or related bearing  whine noise , in all my  pto driven  attachments.  pete     

[WHX?? 53,394]

9 hours ago, Sparky said:

but it’s loud. 

Mostly a whining noise I bet.

Funny thing I put tractors away for the winter and they are quiet. Get them out in the spring and there're noisy. Sometimes goes away after run time sometimes not. 

Bearings are a real common   6203-2RS. lemme know you need them I buy them in bulk. Greasy Pete will tell you to pick a seal out, clean & repack with red tacky. Really not the worst idea. 

 

Stock up on brake cleaner you will go through a full can cleaning the body. End bells can go in a parts cleaner but NOT the body. Same with the armature use the blowgun and brake cleaner. 

Wear gloves the carbon will NOT come off hands. 

Put up a pic of the commutator will school ya on servicing that. 

[sqrlgtr 1,372]

Just curious. Is there any reason not use a 3 jaw puller on pulley? 

[WHX?? 53,394]

7 minutes ago, sqrlgtr said:

Just curious. Is there any reason not use a 3 jaw puller on pulley? 

No that's fine .. it would have to be a smaller puller the shaft is only 5/8" .

Some pullies  are thin stamped metal so don't use a jaw puller on those they bend real easy... 

I haven't seen many of those on a Horse most of are stout steel. 

Edited 15 hours ago by WHX??

[peter lena 9,575]

@WHX??  those 6203-2rs , are what I have in my  mule  drive set up  , also have them in deck spindles , also lucas grease in my pto needle bearings , no whyining noise at all  , years in , looks like a lubrication failure . probably   , that lucas green is bombproof  in a heat / stress  situation . 550 deg  heat rating , and polyurea rated , anti sling  . also have a no effort  pto lever start  , with no  bearing resistance . lucas X-TRA HEAVY DUTY  GREASE . $ 7  WALMART, worth a look , pete 

[squonk 44,922]

I just replaced the bearings in one that I didn't even remove the jenny from the engine. Hate lining up those bottom bolts. I just did one end at a time. 

 

Darn electricians using Klein screwdrivers as prybars! Don't you know only Snap-On screwdrivers are suitable  for prying? and don't forget to test everything with your U.E. I. meter!