D-200 Hopefully my last!

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

Ok fellow horsemen and da ladies!

 

I recently rounded up a D-200 with a blade at auction.  I have been going over it. And think I've got the booby prize.🏆 

First ...can't run the numbers as there don't seem to be any.  As I recall?  Plate was suppose to be below steering column?  It's not.  It does have a single brake on left side, might indicate an early model 1974?

The steering column itself needs support badly!  It's wobbly.  The oil was overfull and I'm really worried about that.

Wrong gas tank.  Wrong oil filter.

Two screws missing from air cleaner backing plate (hope not mashed by cylinder or caught in valve.)

Hood was carved up.

It pops off, but doesn't stay running.

 

I have not done compression test yet or checked fuel pump.  Plugs were sooty (valves)(missing screw) 🥺

 

This will be for sale eventually as I just don't have room and was impulse buy.

Edited November 14 by Teddy da Bear62

[pfrederi 19,320]

Based on the forked motion control plate with out a cover on the lower fork and the parking brake under the instrument panel (just like my D200) I would say yours was model 1-0630 from 1974  Engine spec would have been 53105

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

That was kinda my guess.  Thank you for your observations.  You know more than I do.

Thinking carb needle is stuck. Fuel is flowing into crankcase oil.  Rebuild time for the carburator!! 

Edited November 14 by Teddy da Bear62

[JoeM 9,328]

Just looking at the good.

OE mufflers, rare find

Nice Wide plow, desirable 

Tires look fairly new

Part of a three point peeking out the back, another nice find.

And I am really digging those ammo box arm rests. just plain cool

 

I think the first thing if you are taking the carb off is to fish around in the intake manifold for those missing screws. 

might surprise you and take off after a little TLC

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

Yes...     I fished many a screw out in my time!  🤣🤣🤣. 

Maybe they even passed thru like like you- know-what thru a goose!!!

I usually find them mashed on cylinder head, but then you hear a clicking.  Or caught in a valve.....more fun!

 

Yes, tires are new!  Have manufacturing seam-rib flashing still down the center and little nubbins on the sides.

 

This has been somewhat recently painted.

And a break-out hole where build plate should be.  Did some doufuss actually pry off build plate, damaging mounting surface just to paint it??  😬

 

I really want to "un-alive" people who carve and cobble up these tractors.

 

And I likely will be looking for another hood or welding in missing pieces cut out.

 

Photos later.   Grrrr.

[Handy Don 15,301]

17 hours ago, JoeM said:

And I am really digging those ammo box arm rests. just plain cool

The boxes remind me of the only Caterpillar dozer I ever got to operate. It was from the 40’s and resembled this one:

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

I say ammo boxes on the fenders and tripod on the hood for my B.A.R. and I'm ready for the unruly neighbors.  Or zombie apocalypse, whichever comes first (sometimes they are one and the same) 🤣

 

1. Hey 1974 D-200 experts!  Is there a tow valve on this model?  Rolls easily in reverse.

It will NOT roll forward even in what seems like neutral (shifter).

 

2. There is a hole above brake pedal.  With a label (painted over of course).  Flashlight told me there is a small screw head inside the hole.  What does it do?

 

3.  Seems PTO handle and all that goes with it down to the front pulley is missing.  I'm going to need a parts list.

And since hundreds of you have junk D's just lying around?  Finding used parts should be no problem!  Right?  Right? *crickets*

Edited November 16 by Teddy da Bear62

[pfrederi 19,320]

It is tow valve.  To really diagnose have to get it to work.  Clockwise to tight closed she should not roll  counter clockwise a turn she should roil.  Dumb move by Sunstrand they used a straight slot for the valve you use a straight blade screw diver.  if it is frozen you will probably shear the head off the valve. Soak it for a few days with penetration stuff.  On C series horses you can access the valve and use vice grips/pipe wrench to break it free on the D series serious disassembly is required to access it.  I have often said when wheel horse built a D series it started with a guy holding the hydro pump in the air while the rest of the crew assembled the tractor around it.

 

 

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

On 11/17/2025 at 8:43 AM, pfrederi said:

It is tow valve.  To really diagnose have to get it to work.  Clockwise to tight closed she should not roll  counter clockwise a turn she should roil.  Dumb move by Sunstrand they used a straight slot for the valve you use a straight blade screw diver.  if it is frozen you will probably shear the head off the valve. Soak it for a few days with penetration stuff.  On C series horses you can access the valve and use vice grips/pipe wrench to break it free on the D series serious disassembly is required to access it.  I have often said when wheel horse built a D series it started with a guy holding the hydro pump in the air while the rest of the crew assembled the tractor around it.

 

 

That is a tiny screw head for such a large tractor tow valve!  🤣🤣🤣

 

When I saw your photo.  My label was below the hole.

 

Also reminds me.  I need D series mid tach-o-matic too.

 

God what they didn't steal off this tractor!

Edited November 19 by Teddy da Bear62

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

Ok got the carbetrator off.

 

Don't have much time to mess with it before work 

 

But this little item flew out of the throttle intake. 

Is that a gasket from a seat?????

Kind of looks like it. 

Doesn't seem possible.

 

This is a first for da Bear.

 

(The particles you see may have already been in the container.)

 

I will try and get a better photo later.

 

I edited this post earlier.....apparently it didn't stick!....lol

 

 

Edited December 19 by Teddy da Bear62

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

Been doing some reading on this o ring/seat.  It seems some carbetrators do not use a brass seat.  And rely on this o ring/seat to seal off needle.

More investigation and learning ahead.

The more I think I know, the more I prove I don't!  🤣🤣🤣

 

Don't jump on me if I make a mistake.

But hopefully I will learn from them.

 

More to follow.

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

Ok.....  I will jump around as I inspect the new/old D-200.

Things seem very wrong in wheel horse country folks.

I don't recognize the components or orientation of some things on the k532 Kohler and tractor.

Someone has added an aftermarket fuel pump. 😭😭😭. It likely operates at higher pressure than original mechanical fuel pump (always preferred).

This likely contributed to the hydrolock situation on the engine and one backfire in engines recent past could have blown that seat loose.

As my mentor Taryl says "some should just throw all their tools away if they don't know what they're doing".  Of course not everyone can know everything.  I'm a prime example of uneducated on many aspects of these tractors.  But I try not to bumble ahead.

I do research.  Try to seek out knowledge and experience in others. (cmon guys, jump on this thread)

 

It sure sucks to try to clean up someone else's mess.  And this mess could have come from a repair shop and not necessarily a previous owner.

 

Luckily da Bear has some sources hidden in remote accesses of this country.....

Where original NOS metal/mechanical fuel pumps still exist.

I have to wait until Monday to call da man.

 

He's so old school he doesn't know what a computer or Internet is!!  😁😁😁

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

I have been reading about the tow valve in the pdf manual.

It should be a "square" similar to the one I post in photo below.

However, mine is not!  Mine appears to be a standard slotted screw.  Is this an indication of someone in the past unable to open tow valve and shearing off the "square"??

 

[Blasterdad 3,109]

1 hour ago, Teddy da Bear62 said:

Been doing some reading on this o ring/seat.  It seems some carbetrators do not use a brass seat.  And rely on this o ring/seat to seal off needle.

More investigation and learning ahead.

The more I think I know, the more I prove I don't!  🤣🤣🤣

 

Don't jump on me if I make a mistake.

But hopefully I will learn from them.

 

More to follow.

 

You're on the right track!

 

The Dunning-Kruger Effect

The less you know, the more confident you feel.

As you learn more, you realize how much you don't know.

Ignorance fosters confidence, while mastery leads to humility. 

Edited Sunday at 02:54 AM by Blasterdad

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

Ok.....hope da Bear has spotted what he thinks he's spotted!

I saw an old D-200 (tall gas tank) up against a tree in neighbors yard.  Hood is off....  Covered in branches and snow......

 

I have seen my prey......now I bide my time until I see owner outside in the yard.

(I don't want to be the stranger knocking on doors at inconvenient times for homeowner).

I might be able to bag a parts tractor if the price is right (insert evil laugh)

 

Do others find themselves driving along focused on snooping in backyards?  Or is it just me? 🤔

Edited Sunday at 10:05 PM by Teddy da Bear62

[pfrederi 19,320]

1 hour ago, Teddy da Bear62 said:

I have been reading about the tow valve in the pdf manual.

It should be a "square" similar to the one I post in photo below.

However, mine is not!  Mine appears to be a standard slotted screw.  Is this an indication of someone in the past unable to open tow valve and shearing off the "square"??

 

 

 

My 1974 D200 has the slot head tow valve.

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

19 hours ago, pfrederi said:

 

 

My 1974 D200 has the slot head tow valve.

Interestesting!  🤔

 

I would think they would make note of it in the manual if 74 models are different than other production years.

 

 

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

Ok wheel horse fans......

 

Another small update.  I really feel I stepped in the horse sh*t (wheel horse sh*t of course).

 

I got a good look at the piece that fell out of the carbetrator.  It's actually a lock washer.  And not a seat as earlier suspected.

But it's a size that fits no where in the carb. And they didn't use them on carb to begin with.

 

I learned from reading Kohler service manual that this carb was used on k482 & k582.

 

I located part number on carbetrator.

#4805312 and looks like a "C" at the

end (mounting flange edge). 

But I also came up with another number on the other side.  Just above the bowl there is C 277236. 

Not sure if it's important or not?

 

I looked down the throat of the carb.

It has 2 butterflies.  The second one in the middle is nearly ripped off the shaft it's mounted to!  And I'm sure only one screw holding it on.  😭

 

I'm going to begin disassembly and cleaning.  I have several photos to include here.  

 

I also would like to ask any D-200 owners/experts.  I found paper labels on one side of the engine, on a tin.  Is that the only place this engine is stamped/labeled??  Because as others, it is painted over.  Unreadable if I ever needed serial and spec numbers.

 

I also understand the k482 & k532 are identical except for bore size and stroke.

 

Given this has short gas tank, someone tore off tractor identification tag..... And then painted over an important engine i.d. label????

I've got a wild suspicion that someone has disguised a D-180 as a D-200???

 

There are more horrors I have found.

But that will wait until later.

 

I'm going to take a long walk off of a short pier now.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Teddy da Bear62

[8ntruck 8,382]

That first butterfly you see in the carb is the choke - it blocks off some air flow to create a ritch fuel mix for starting the engine.  The second butterfly is the throttle plate that controls the engine speed.  You are going to get that one corrected before you try to start the engine.

[pfrederi 19,320]

Oil Filters were not included on D-180.  If you have turning brakes and rear PTO they were standard on D200 optional on others.  WH used same spec number for D200 in all years 53105A

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

1 hour ago, pfrederi said:

Oil Filters were not included on D-180.  If you have turning brakes and rear PTO they were standard on D200 optional on others.  WH used same spec number for D200 in all years 53105A

Thank you pfederi!  That calms my imagination.  🤣

I definitely have a FORD engine, because they used a Motorcraft oil filter !  Logical?  Not!  

 

Unfortunately, no rear PTO output shaft.  I won't be able to run my D tiller on it.

 

No turning brakes.  One pedal on left side (when sitting on tractor)

Not sure if the 1974 had a single brake and the rest of the years included them?  I know my previous D-200 had them.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Teddy da Bear62

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

9 hours ago, 8ntruck said:

That first butterfly you see in the carb is the choke - it blocks off some air flow to create a ritch fuel mix for starting the engine.  The second butterfly is the throttle plate that controls the engine speed.  You are going to get that one corrected before you try to start the engine.

I have to get another #4 brass screw to remount the plate as one screw did not survive my "bear claw" force....lol 

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

Ok, guess I will open the next can of worms

before finishing the carb.

 

This is some more of the horors I found.

 

Globs!  And I mean Globs of sealant front and back of the engine!!

 

Someone was in the crankcase.  Now I don't know if the used old gaskets?  Didn't bother with gaskets?  But they sure globbed on the sealant!!!  😭

 

I highly suspect the way some idiot cobbled and stole from this tractor?  I'm worried there are globs of sealant INSIDE the crankcase or soon will be.

 

If he did not use gaskets?  Big problem!

Not only are they used to seal.  They are also used as shims to eliminate end play in the shaft.  This could destroy engine (if it hasn't already).

 

Second photo also shows how someone broke the bearing plate around mounting hole.

 

Too much f*ckery going on....  🤬

 

[pfrederi 19,320]

I hope the RTV mechanic didn't work on the hydro.  RTV and hydros do NOT do well together.

 

[Teddy da Bear62 165]

2 hours ago, pfrederi said:

I hope the RTV mechanic didn't work on the hydro.  RTV and hydros do NOT do well together.

 

I'm still trying to identify parts on this tractor.

If someone added a vacuum fuel filter?

Where is the port for the mechanical one?

 

And what is that large cylindrical object on top of engine?  I refer to the photo above the points cover is attached to.  I even see an N.P.T. pipe plug in it.   

 

I HAVE JUST LEARNED IT IS A COMPLEX EXTERNAL GOVERNOR.....

 

I need an illustrated parts diagram.

Edited 4 hours ago by Teddy da Bear62