A Sad Day In The Neighborhood

[Ed Kennell 43,165]

3 officers killed, 2 wounded in shooting in York County: What we know now

[Pullstart 68,319]

 so much for the honor of protecting and serving.  Now they become targets.  

[rjg854 12,564]

Truly sad indeed, prayers for these officers families, friends and fellow police. It's sad to see that people resort to violence and believe that's the solution to their problems. What happened to love thy neighbor as yourself.

[Bill D 2,366]

16 minutes ago, rjg854 said:

Truly sad indeed, prayers for these officers families, friends and fellow police. It's sad to see that people resort to violence and believe that's the solution to their problems. What happened to love thy neighbor as yourself.

They are not allowed to teach that in school anymore. 

[Mike'sHorseBarn 3,353]

My good friend is a york city officer and was involved. He's physically ok, but not so much mentally.

[Ed Kennell 43,165]

54 minutes ago, Mike'sHorseBarn said:

He's physically ok, but not so much mentally.

Two of my best friends were local police officers.  Both were neighbors and fishing and hunting buddies.

The one was involved in a fatal shooting.   The resulting mental burden was too much for him to bear and it destroyed his life.

We all see the physical danger they encounter, but the mental danger can also be devastating.

[SylvanLakeWH 29,389]

So sad...

 

 

[oldlineman 1,580]

Yes Ed,it is very sad that as human beings created in GOD'S image that we cannot or will not exist on this planet together. But the BIBLE tells us that in the last days it will be as in the days of Noah , and only 8 people survived that time.   IMHO Bob

[adsm08 3,652]

This story has made national news. I heard it brought up on Clay and Buck, and Hannity on the Radio today.

 

Unfortunately I think Gov. Shapiro's remarks on it are the political equivalent of an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand (Yes, I know they don't really do that).

 

 

[SylvanLakeWH 29,389]

Yesterday was Constitution Day... 

 

As Benjamin Franklin eloquently said regarding the Constitution, it established: "A republic, if you can keep it..."

 

Our police provide the line in the sand keeping us in a Republic. My prayer is that more people will understand that...

[953 nut 62,343]

I served for a year on a county Grand Jury, what an eye opener. Dash camera and body camera footage show efforts to deescalate conflicts and how our law enforcement people are abused and expected to "BE NICE" to law breakers.

God bless all first responders and remember to go out of your way to say thank you to them. 

[adsm08 3,652]

9 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

I served for a year on a county Grand Jury, what an eye opener. Dash camera and body camera footage show efforts to deescalate conflicts and how our law enforcement people are abused and expected to "BE NICE" to law breakers.

God bless all first responders and remember to go out of your way to say thank you to them. 

 

They never even had a chance to de-escalate. By the sounds of it this guy was not all there in the head, but it sounds like the cops were trying to serve a warrant, possibly for him, I am unclear on that point. But basically it sounds like he was hiding in an adjacent corn field and opened fire when they knocked on the door.

[lynnmor 8,105]

I was in Hanover today and drove past the scene on the way home, about 1/4 mile of the road on one side was filled with news vehicles.  The cornfield was straight across from the house making it easy for someone to stalk and harass anyone near or in the house.  Just a sad story.  Police are trained to be careful and get backup for many domestic problems, but this time they did but it would have taken an army to clear the scene safely.

 

Back when I renewed my CC permit, I went to the sheriffs office and saw what appeared to be a very troubled officer in plain clothes going around and hugging all of the other employees in the office.  Turned out he was the one that fired the fatal shot that killed a fellow officer at the UMPC hospital.  I can't imagine how one can handle that.

[kpinnc 15,797]

7 minutes ago, lynnmor said:

Back when I renewed my CC permit, I went to the sheriffs office and saw what appeared to be a very troubled officer in plain clothes going around and hugging all of the other employees in the office.  Turned out he was the one that fired the fatal shot that killed a fellow officer at the UMPC hospital.  I can't imagine how one can handle that.

 

Military (deployed in some form) and first responders have the most difficult jobs on earth. 

 

I could never be a police officer. I don't know how they don't pop and beat the living crap out of belligerent people. I know it occasionally happens, but I am amazed it isn't more common. 

[adsm08 3,652]

19 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

 

Military (deployed in some form) and first responders have the most difficult jobs on earth. 

 

I could never be a police officer. I don't know how they don't pop and beat the living crap out of belligerent people. I know it occasionally happens, but I am amazed it isn't more common. 

 

 

And then to have to deal with the ACAB jerks on top of it.

 

 

I personally try to let every officer I encounter that I appreciate what they do.

[oliver2-44 10,991]

On 9/18/2025 at 10:38 AM, rjg854 said:

 love thy neighbor as yourself.

This says it all

[Mickwhitt 5,205]

I know it's not going to be popular, but its guns thats the problem here. No one would be shooting cops if you didn't have home armouries full of them. I was a cop for 30 years and firearms were more or less the preserve of serious criminals, not everyday people. 

 

We have occasional cop killings over here, but very rarely a shooting. Our cops are not routinely armed but they are still targeted by anyone and everyone because they represent authority.  If we had guns in the hands of more people then we'd have more dead people, not just cops.

 

But once the genie is out of the bottle you can't get it back in. And so you are stuck with the problem. And what's worse is the solution is not more guns, that will just logically lead to more shootings. 

 

I read somewhere that many Americans say they need access to a gun in case their government comes for them. Surely you have a ballot box for that kind of thing? 

 

I know this posting will ruffle a lot of feathers, but please bear in mind it comes from a country where guns are a relative rarity. We never had a wild west and gunslingers, we do very little hunting with weapons other than scatter guns. 

 

We used to carry guns a lot, for personal protection. You could even buy them over the counter in hardware shops without a licence. But that was a couple of hundred years ago and we have learned a lot since then. Hungerford,  Dunblane, Cumbria all contributed to tighter gun control which is the only  thing that works. 

 

Could I be a cop now in England?  No not for a gold pig. The danger? Technology... smart phones and cameras everywhere,  everyone bleating about their human right to be an obnoxious little jerk when what they really need is a good slap and reminding there are rules in a society and they have to be enforced. Every time a cop lays hands on someone he is worried about the blowback, the complaint, the social media and public media. He should be allowed to do his job, without fear or favour as it says on our warrant. But all cops are in fear and it's not of guns, and all cops have to show favour, because we are employed by the government so we see arrests of protesters who anger our masters. 

 

Christ this turned into a rant, sorry guys, I'm not out of bed yet and I'm mad as a wet hen lol.  Guns are your thing, I get that. But they bring their own problems that dont seem solvable in modern life. Take them away and things wouldn't necessarily change, we have problems with knives over here and I can't see those being replaced with ready cut up food anytime soon. 

 

If anyone does come up with a workable solution you can bet your bottom dollar that they will be silenced by one interested party or the other. It's the way we are unfortunately. 

 

[lynnmor 8,105]

My Dad served in WW2 and was in disbelief that guns donated to England were confiscated after the war. 

[Mickwhitt 5,205]

4 hours ago, lynnmor said:

My Dad served in WW2 and was in disbelief that guns donated to England were confiscated after the war. 

People over here go Batshit crazy because someone said they look a bit fat on twitter or they pushed in the queue for relaxation classes. Imagine what it would be like if we all had guns! Lol

[adsm08 3,652]

5 hours ago, Mickwhitt said:

I know it's not going to be popular, but its guns thats the problem here. No one would be shooting cops if you didn't have home armouries full of them. I was a cop for 30 years and firearms were more or less the preserve of serious criminals, not everyday people. 

 

 

Going to use some round numbers here:

 

There are ~365 million people in the US. Possibly closer to 375 million with all the illegals counted in.

 

There are +600 million privately owned firearms in the US.

 

There are 30,000 gun-related deaths in the US every year.

 

20,000 of those are suicide.

 

About 9,000 of the remainder are gang violence.

 

The number go gun-related deaths from specifically AR-15 platform firearms each year does not reach triple digits.

 

The guns themselves are not the problem, if they were we would know it.

 

England has largely banned them, they have now had to go to banning knives and other vaguely sharp-looking objects after stabbings increased greatly, not to mention acid-attacks that were reported in the news over here. The guns went away, the violence stayed. People are the problem, not guns.

[adsm08 3,652]

1 hour ago, Mickwhitt said:

People over here go Batshit crazy because someone said they look a bit fat on twitter or they pushed in the queue for relaxation classes. Imagine what it would be like if we all had guns! Lol

 

According to the inimitable Samuel Longhorn Clemens they'd probably not be called those things in the first place.

 

According to him "An armed society is a polite society".

[Mickwhitt 5,205]

I agree that it is people that are the problem. Absolutely 100%.

We are a violent and volatile species. 

If you took guns away we would find another way to hurt each other. 

I'm not sure i agree that an armed society is a polite society, when we see so much aggravation on both sides of the pond. Saying that is like saying be impolite to me and I will shoot you. 

There is no solution, there never can be as it all revolves around people being tolerant and peaceful, when we are anything but.

I just know I'd rather live here, where guns are still a rarity and mass killings a bit of a memory. 

 

[adsm08 3,652]

That is very close to what he was saying. The sentiment was more along the lines of people are more likely to be polite if they think there is a chance they will be shot for being rude.

 

1 hour ago, Mickwhitt said:

There is no solution

 

There is too: