ASM–Plate removal

[terc 2]

Hello All I just recently acquired a 314H tractor and I am trying to remove a  ASM plate on a 12 hp Kohler engine. The previous owner stated that the crankshaft seal needed to be replaced.  I have a three jaw puller attached along with soaking it with Free All penetrating oil and it will not budge. I am wondering if it would be wise to apply some external heat via a hot wrench. Any help would greatly appreciated by anyone who has been in this predicament. 

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,441]

What is an ASM plate?

[953 nut 59,739]

6 minutes ago, gwest_ca said:

What is an ASM plate?

According to Google AI,

What is ASM?

 

 

AI Overview

 

ASM can refer to several things, but most commonly it stands for Attack Surface Management in cybersecurity, Automatic Storage Management in Oracle databases, or Additional Surveillance Measures in the stock market. It can also refer to ASM International, a company that makes equipment for semiconductor manufacturing. Additionally, it can stand for American Society for Microbiology, or ASM Global, a venue management company. 

 

Here's a breakdown of the different meanings:

1. Attack Surface Management (Cybersecurity):

• ASM is a security practice that involves continuously identifying, analyzing, prioritizing, remediating, and monitoring an organization's attack surface. 
   
• The attack surface encompasses all potential entry points for attackers, including software vulnerabilities, misconfigured systems, and even third-party systems. 
   
• ASM aims to reduce the risk of successful cyberattacks by proactively addressing these potential weaknesses. 
   
• It's a proactive approach that complements vulnerability management by first identifying what needs protection before focusing on fixing known issues. 
   

2. Automatic Storage Management (Oracle Databases):

• ASM is a feature within Oracle databases that simplifies storage management by treating storage as a small number of storage pools called ASM disk groups.
• It provides features like striping and mirroring to optimize performance and protect against storage hardware failures.
• ASM eliminates the need for DBAs and system administrators to manage individual database files. 
   

3. Additional Surveillance Measures (Stock Market): 

 

• ASM is a regulatory mechanism used by stock exchanges to monitor and regulate the trading of specific securities. 
   
• It's applied to securities that exhibit high price volatility, unusual trading volumes, or other characteristics that may pose a risk to market stability. 
   
• Securities under ASM are subject to stricter scrutiny, including increased margin requirements and more frequent monitoring. 
   
• This mechanism helps maintain market integrity and protects investors. 
   

4. ASM International (Semiconductor Manufacturing):

• ASM International is a company that develops and manufactures equipment for the semiconductor industry.
• They provide equipment for processes like Atomic Layer Deposition (ALD) and Epitaxy, which are crucial for creating advanced chips. 
   

5. Other Meanings:

• American Society for Microbiology (ASM): A professional organization for microbiologists. 
   
• ASM Global: A venue management company that operates stadiums, arenas, and convention centers. 
   
• Anti-Seizure Medication (ASM): Medication used to treat seizures. 
   
• Ambulatory Specialty Model (ASM): A healthcare model focused on improving care for chronic conditions. 
   
• Assistant Stage Manager: In theatre, a crew member who assists the stage manager. 

  9 hours ago, terc said:

  Hello All I just recently acquired a 314H tractor and I am trying to remove a  ASM plate on a 12 hp Kohler engine. The previous owner stated that the crankshaft seal needed to be replaced.  I have a three jaw puller attached along with soaking it with Free All penetrating oil and it will not budge. I am wondering if it would be wise to apply some external heat via a hot wrench. Any help would greatly appreciated by anyone who has been in this predicament. 

  

• The flywheel connects to one end of the engine crankshaft and the PTO pulley is on the other end, which end are you working on?

[pfrederi 18,633]

Crank Seal maybe bearing plate???  Manuals can be helpful

 

 

[terc 2]

Edited Tuesday at 01:43 PM by terc
item # 9 is listed as the asm plate which I need to remove to replace the crankshaft seal

[Handy Don 13,972]

1 hour ago, pfrederi said:

Manuals can be helpful

So true! 😉

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,441]

 You removed the 2 set screws?

Some heat on the pulley won't hurt if you are replacing the seal behind it.

[ranger 1,798]

9 hours ago, 953 nut said:

According to Google AI,

What is ASM?

 

 

AI Overview

 

ASM can refer to several things, but most commonly it stands for Attack Surface Management in cybersecurity, Automatic Storage Management in Oracle databases, or Additional Surveillance Measures in the stock market. It can also refer to ASM International, a company that makes equipment for semiconductor manufacturing. Additionally, it can stand for American Society for Microbiology, or ASM Global, a venue management company. 

 

Here's a breakdown of the different meanings:

1. Attack Surface Management (Cybersecurity):

• ASM is a security practice that involves continuously identifying, analyzing, prioritizing, remediating, and monitoring an organization's attack surface. 
   
• The attack surface encompasses all potential entry points for attackers, including software vulnerabilities, misconfigured systems, and even third-party systems. 
   
• ASM aims to reduce the risk of successful cyberattacks by proactively addressing these potential weaknesses. 
   
• It's a proactive approach that complements vulnerability management by first identifying what needs protection before focusing on fixing known issues. 
   

2. Automatic Storage Management (Oracle Databases):

• ASM is a feature within Oracle databases that simplifies storage management by treating storage as a small number of storage pools called ASM disk groups.
• It provides features like striping and mirroring to optimize performance and protect against storage hardware failures.
• ASM eliminates the need for DBAs and system administrators to manage individual database files. 
   

3. Additional Surveillance Measures (Stock Market): 

 

• ASM is a regulatory mechanism used by stock exchanges to monitor and regulate the trading of specific securities. 
   
• It's applied to securities that exhibit high price volatility, unusual trading volumes, or other characteristics that may pose a risk to market stability. 
   
• Securities under ASM are subject to stricter scrutiny, including increased margin requirements and more frequent monitoring. 
   
• This mechanism helps maintain market integrity and protects investors. 
   

4. ASM International (Semiconductor Manufacturing):

• ASM International is a company that develops and manufactures equipment for the semiconductor industry.
• They provide equipment for processes like Atomic Layer Deposition (ALD) and Epitaxy, which are crucial for creating advanced chips. 
   

5. Other Meanings:

• American Society for Microbiology (ASM): A professional organization for microbiologists. 
   
• ASM Global: A venue management company that operates stadiums, arenas, and convention centers. 
   
• Anti-Seizure Medication (ASM): Medication used to treat seizures. 
   
• Ambulatory Specialty Model (ASM): A healthcare model focused on improving care for chronic conditions. 
   
• Assistant Stage Manager: In theatre, a crew member who assists the stage manager. 

  

• The flywheel connects to one end of the engine crankshaft and the PTO pulley is on the other end, which end are you working on?

 

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Edited Tuesday at 08:24 PM by ranger

[oliver2-44 10,679]

8 hours ago, pfrederi said:

Crank Seal maybe bearing plate???  Manuals can be helpful

 

 

Just an FYI, if you are replacing the seal on the flywheel side, the aluminum bearing plate does not need to be removed. 
 

7 hours ago, terc said:

As mentioned, if you have removed 13 and 8 you can put some heat on the pulley. Check the set screw holes and make sure there was not a 2nd set screw in each hole. Also, you will break that pulley if you are just using a 3 jaw puller. Go to your local auto supply and borrow a bearing separator and puller.  

[8ntruck 7,772]

@terc - are you trying to remove the part in the upper right hand corner of the diagram that looks like it is labeled as 3324-848?  That is technically not part of the PTO clutch.  I think it is a crank seal retainer.

 

Anyhow, the PTO clutch plate #8 and drive pulley #9 will need to come off.  As @oliver2-44 points out above, make sure the set screws are out of the pulley.  There might be 2 set screws in each of the tapped holes, and there might be 2 set screw holes in the hub of the pulley.  The pulley might be 'glued' onto the crankshaft with rust.  Pennetrating oil, heat, and a puller are going to be your friends in this project.  If I remember correctly, the drive pulley is a casting.  Direct hammer blows on the pulley can create undesirable results.

 

I've never been this deep into this side of a K series.  I would expect that the seal retainer plate has a gasket that might stick it to the block after the bolts are removed.  A putty knife and careful prying will probably break it loose from the block.

 

Good luck.

[kpinnc 14,570]

I would not use a 2 or 3 jaw puller. That pulley is cast iron and will break if a puller is used on the thin outer parts. 

 

You can use a steering wheel puller and thread it into two of the 1/4x20 holes on the face of the pulley. It's likely a good idea to fully remove the setscrews and squirt a very good penetrating oil (Kroil is the best I've ever used) for a day or so. Also as has been said a little heat won't hurt. 

 

After you remove the PTO inner race (part 13 on the diagram), clean the exposed PTO shaft with some light sandpaper. It'll make pulley removal easier as well. 

 

Do not strike the pulley or crankshaft, or flywheel. Ever. 

 

On reinstallation, a blob of anti-sieze on the keyway and PTO shaft will help any future removals. 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:18 AM by kpinnc

[terc 2]

Thanks for all of the replies to my problem, I am glad to report that the PTO clutch plate  was removed after soaking it with Free All fluid. There was not enough room behind the plate, so I could not use a bearing separator. I used a modified center bolt in the end of the crankshaft to center my 3 jaw puller. The previous owner was correct in saying not to run this engine, here is what I found. I can say that I have never seen a seal that destroyed. Any ideas as to what may have caused this?? 

[8ntruck 7,772]

I don't  think that is the seal.  Looks more like bailing twine to me.  Probably was trash laying on the ground and one of the belts snatched it up and fed it onto the crank shaft.  Happened in the blink of an eye.

 

Had a similar mess in one of my mowing decks many, many years ago.

[kpinnc 14,570]

15 minutes ago, 8ntruck said:

I don't  think that is the seal.  Looks more like bailing twine to me.  Probably was trash laying on the ground and one of the belts snatched it up and fed it onto the crank shaft.  Happened in the blink of an eye.

 

 

Definitely not the seal. 

[lynnmor 7,788]

Could be the remains of a shredded belt.

[terc 2]

thanks for the input, however someone was there before me because the crankshaft seal is completely gone. 

[lynnmor 7,788]

31 minutes ago, terc said:

thanks for the input, however someone was there before me because the crankshaft seal is completely gone. 

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