Early Big Show

[Ed Kennell 41,788]

What     2025 Spring Gun Bonanza Fire Company Benefit

Where   South Mountain Fairgrounds,  Biglerville, Pa.

When    Sat. May 3rd

 

Come see Ed win a couple firearms and the 10 grand.     While you're here, reserve your spot for the Big Show.

 

[Horsin'round 233]

Don't tease us Ed,  how do we mere mortals obtain such a ticket?

[Ed Kennell 41,788]

1 hour ago, Horsin'round said:

Don't tease us Ed,  how do we mere mortals obtain such a ticket?

Just show up early Mark.

[Wayne0 1,164]

Awesome prize list!!

If I was closer, you'd have some serious competition for one of those bang sticks!

[HyperPete 868]

Can someone without a gun license win guns, & summon children with licences to pickup their gifts?

[adsm08 3,145]

8 minutes ago, HyperPete said:

Can someone without a gun license win guns, & summon children with licences to pickup their gifts?

 

In PA there is no such thing as a "gun license". We have "licesne to carry", more commonly known as "concealed carry" permits, but one is not required to own a gun, only to carry one "concealed" which in legaleze means that it can't be see from at least 3 sides. As long as you are a citizen, not a felon, do not use an illegal substances, and do not have a medical marijuana card you can own a firearm. You can even open carry without a permit as far as I know. But I don't open carry because that is just stupid.

Edited April 30 by adsm08

[HyperPete 868]

12 minutes ago, adsm08 said:

 

In PA there is no such thing as a "gun license". We have "licesne to carry", more commonly known as "concealed carry" permits, but one is not required to own a gun, only to carry one "concealed" which in legaleze means that it can't be see from at least 3 sides. As long as you are a citizen, not a felon, do not use an illegal substances, and do not have a medical marijuana card you can own a firearm. You can even open carry without a permit as far as I know. But I don't open carry because that is just stupid.

 

Really? 

My kids have "licenses. I don't. 

I've been told I can't buy a gun without one.

So you are saying I can buy guns?  Anyone can walk in off the street without a gun permit or license and buy a gun?  

[adsm08 3,145]

3 minutes ago, HyperPete said:

 

Really? 

My kids have "licenses. I don't. 

I've been told I can't buy a gun without one.

So you are saying I can buy guns?  Anyone can walk in off the street without a gun permit or license and buy a gun?  

 

There is a background check, but yes, pretty much. There are some requirements, like you can't be a felon, a drug user, can't have been involuntarily committed to a psych unit, etc.

 

Your kids probably have CCW permits, which are totally different. Some states, like Illinois, do have gun licenses that are required to purchase, but not here in PA.

Edited May 1 by adsm08

[HyperPete 868]

2 do, one doesn't.

So, regardless of me possibly being able to get one, assuming I cannot, my question still stands - can somebody else accept it for me?

[SylvanLakeWH 28,312]

States regulate gun purchasing, ownership and carry. They are all different. Search "gun regulations" in your state and a bunch of sites will pop up explaining.
 

Straw purchases are not legal in my state... I doubt in any.

[HyperPete 868]

Just now, SylvanLakeWH said:

Straw purchases

 

I Don't know what that is. However, I would not have somebody accepting it for me. I would simply give it to them.

[adsm08 3,145]

57 minutes ago, HyperPete said:

 

I Don't know what that is. However, I would not have somebody accepting it for me. I would simply give it to them.

 

A "straw purchase" is when someone who is legally allowed to purchase a firearm does so for someone who is not legally allowed to own a firearm. It is a felony.

[HyperPete 868]

2 minutes ago, adsm08 said:

 

A "straw purchase" is when someone who is legally allowed to purchase a firearm does so for someone who is not legally allowed to own a firearm. It is a felony.

 

I thought it might be something like that. However, not being a gun owner I'm not really interested in becoming one. I do like winning stuff however. So if / when I win a gun, I would simply call my stepdaughter, son-in-law, stepson, daughter-in-law to come and get the gun as a gift to them. They are all legal gun owners already.

[adsm08 3,145]

6 minutes ago, HyperPete said:

 

I thought it might be something like that. However, not being a gun owner I'm not really interested in becoming one. I do like winning stuff however. So if / when I win a gun, I would simply call my stepdaughter, son-in-law, stepson, daughter-in-law to come and get the gun as a gift to them. They are all legal gun owners already.

 

Don't move to Franklin town. It's actually a legal requirement to own at least one gun to live there, and the mayor comes around and checks once a year. It's about the only thing he actually does as mayor.

[HyperPete 868]

Would a napalm-thrower be an acceptable substitute?

 

 

FAR off-topic.  My apologies!

Edited May 1 by HyperPete

[kpinnc 14,573]

1 hour ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

Straw purchases are not legal in my state... I doubt in any.

 

There is a fuzzy place between straw purchase and private sales between individuals. State laws vary between both. 

 

@adsm08 I agree with your definition of straw purchase. If one can't buy a gun for themselves, that's not my place to fix. 

Edited May 1 by kpinnc

[HyperPete 868]

1 minute ago, kpinnc said:

private sales

 

Not a sale.  A gift.

I'm sure suspicious individuals would question it.

 

I defer.  My apologies for the thread drift.

[kpinnc 14,573]

1 minute ago, HyperPete said:

Not a sale.  A gift.

I'm sure suspicious individuals would question it.

 

I think for the legality of it, still a private exchange would fall under the same law. 

 

In my state at least, so long as you can own one anyway you are fine to swap with or sell to. 

[adsm08 3,145]

4 minutes ago, HyperPete said:

 

Not a sale.  A gift.

I'm sure suspicious individuals would question it.

 

I defer.  My apologies for the thread drift.

 

So, if I understand your intentions, you would win, call said relative and give them the raffle ticket for the item you won, but have no actual interest in possessing, so that they could claim it and possess it themselves. Since this is a firearm said relative would still have to fill out paper work and pass a background check the same as if they went into a store to buy it. As long as you are not a "restricted individual" or the firearm never ends up in your possession, this would be legal, on the condition it is a long-gun. The rules around transfer of handguns are a little different, but since it sounds like it would be a transfer between family there is still very little in the way of legal issues in PA.

 

The private sale of long-guns in PA is unregulated. The private sale of hand guns is still supposed to go through an FFL.

 

Edited May 1 by adsm08

[Horse Newbie 7,395]

Y’all got me wanting to go out and buy a gun!

[kpinnc 14,573]

8 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

Y’all got me wanting to go out and buy a gun

 

 

[Ed Kennell 41,788]

To take ownership of a firearm in Pa. You must successfully pass a background check.   It doesn't matter if you purchase the firearm from a dealer, at an auction, or win it in a lottery. 

You must go to a licensed dealer,  fill out the background application form and wait for it to be approved before the dealer can release the firearm to you.

You are then responsible for the firearm and any crime or accident it is involved in.

If you plan to sell or give the firearm to another person, they must pass a background check before taking possession.  

 

My suggestion for you would be to pay for the lottery ticket for the person that you want to have the firearm.  Let them fill out the ticket, do the background check and legally take possession.

 

[AlexR 1,810]

I'm with Ed on this one, I think the bigger problem is that the event will not let someone else claim the prize on your behalf, especially dealing with firearms. 

The other option is just to claim it yourself, do the background check. And then once you have it, you can just give it to a family member.

[Pullstart 66,609]

@HyperPete I applaud you for asking these questions at least!  I feel like many non gun owners could still benefit from knowing the laws and regulations of rightful ownership.  
 

*edit* I feel like also many people who DO own guns should know these answers as well!

Edited May 1 by Pullstart

[Ed Kennell 41,788]

1 hour ago, Pullstart said:

@HyperPete I applaud you for asking these questions at least!  I feel like many non gun owners could still benefit from knowing the laws and regulations of rightful ownership.  
 

*edit* I feel like also many people who DO own guns should know these answers as well!

 Totally agree Kevin.       They should also know they are responsible for the safe storage of the firearm and are liable for any crimes or accidents that occur if the firearm is lost or stolen.

Lost or stolen firearms must immediately be reported to the local and state police.