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Hey guys, Well, greetings from way out here on the West Coast in California. Not too many members out here. I don’t think, seems like there weren’t a ton of our tractors here although mine is an original one owner Tractor before me who purchased it in Escondido California. (I’ve owned it for a decade). I have all of the records of everything, including the original bill of sale. It’s wonderful. Anyhow, today was day-one of disassembly, and as this has been a working Tractor for several years now, everything came apart beautifully. No frozen nuts. It has basically been effortless. So, all of my experience is with the restoration I did on CASE 444 tractor, But the nice thing is the similarities between the two for many things. I plan on upgrading the steering arms using Heim joints instead of the ball and socket joints… It was a huge improvement on my CASE. I’m sure I’ll have some questions going down the road, but the beautiful thing is I am finding almost zero corrosion, except the panel area inside… is that aluminum or magnesium? It’s got some powdery corrosion on it. Best to you all, Jason

Celebrate Wright Brothers Day today. Two aviation pioneers who defied gravity at Kitty Hawk, NC, unlocked human potential, and inspired generations to reach for the skies and beyond. The airplane has certainly made the globe a much smaller, more accessible place for humans. And right at the beginning of it all were two brothers, Orville and Wilbur Wright. The Wright Flyer was the first aircraft that was patented in the United States. Orville and Wilbur Wright made further experiments during the first decade of the 20th century, which would prove indispensable to the development of the airplane. While some people may look at photos of the Wright Flyer today and think that it seems to be old-fashioned, it is important to remember that it was actually the cutting edge of aviation technology back in 1903.

Just a casual observation, lately we have covered topics including plugged drain field, stopped up septic tanks, where a bear defecates and the venerable out house. All are necessary and seem to garner a lot of input but can we get back to talkin' tractors please.

The wisdom shared on this site is astounding...

Maybe not. Looked out in the back yard last night to see a black bear working on the bird feeders. Opened the door and asked him to leave ... he wandered off but was back 10 minutes later.. Today I went out to find the feeders and see where he had been. We are having some work done and the contractor has a dumpster and a porta-potty. set up. Bear tracks went right up to the door of the porta-potty

If I ever do another Case, I am going to buy a kiddie pool to put it in before I disassemble it. That way I will have some thing to catch all the oil that drips out of every hose that you take off.

Be thankful you knew where to dig! When my Dad built our house in the late 50’s he put a detailed map of the septic system in a well-labeled envelope attached to a cupboard door in the garage. During the final walkthrough he pointed it out (I was there). Years after we’d moved away, the new owner called angry and in a panic. Big backup and “where the **** is the septic tank?” The contractors are digging up all over the yard and they can’t find it. Through questioning, the new owner finally admitted he had “cleaned up” the garage and discarded the envelope not realizing its importance. My Dad gave them what he could remember and after a few hours, they did find the tank.

I grew up in a house with a Septic system, a well, fuel oil for heat , a long driveway on a hill and above ground power lines next to the woods with summer storms and snow storms. Don't miss it a bit!!! I love living in a subdivided neighborhood with all the utilities underground piped into my house.....Just saying

When I was in college, I attended a Lansing Engineers Club dinner with my dad. The featured presentation was a tour of Abrams Engineering facilities. Abrams was a major player in aerial surveying in Michigan. Fascinating process of using adjacent frames of aerial photos to make stenographic images for manually digitizing elevations. Mr. Adams was one of the guides - had to be in his upper 70's or lower 80's at the time. He proudly showed off his original pilot's license. Was license #8, signed by one of the Wright brothers - Wilber, I think.

The septic company sells them. They are very heavy duty as far as I can see. They come already set up in the reinforced concrete covers so they drop right into the square access holes of the tank. The outsides of mine are smooth, with the ribs inside so a little different than the jungle site- but basically the same. Yeah, about $130 each installed. But the way my arms and back feel right now? Worth every penny... No more digging!

Yes they are AL. Corrosion is from water They do shine up nicely I polished this one just for something different. Dash housing is the same for many years and many around if that one is not savable. The way it looks in the first pic it didn't need restoration. C-160 is a fav around here and on many a bucket list. Feel free to post pics of that 444 in other brands ... another fav of mine anyway.

Bears and pigs and crows and raccoons. WAY smart animals.

🤣🤣🤣 Yes, they make quite a mess don’t they! The C-160 has come apart much easier, although I am going to have to study up on the mechanisms below the center plate area…the part with the drive lock-out. One of the biggest pains with the CASE is the hyd reservoir and poor access to throttles/chokes and hyd pump. I almost wanted to cut in access structural panels on the sides of the tower, drill holes and weld in nut plates. J

Wow, that's nuts. I have lived in the same house here in Maryland for 47 years. I have a standard concrete septic tank. In that time I have only had the tank pumped once, and that was for a root from an oak tree that partially block the exit of the tank. My father installed a steel septic tank in 1959. He never had it pumped, and did not have to replace it until 1999 when it rusted out and caved under the weight of his tractor. My point is that if a septic tank is treated properly (only human waste, standard toilet tissue, no anti-bacteria hand soap, laundry water with septic-safe detergent, and only kitchen waste that is digestible), you should never need to have it pumped. I add one container of Rid-X (bacteria) every 6 months to aid in the digestion of solids. I know that I may get some kickback on these comments, but as they say "the proof is in the pudding".

I have the Cub Cadet flavor, and no toes have been lost yet!

I’ll chip in here... As connected in the picture below, you have direct control of the throttle but you also have trapped the governor, forcing it to move in a way that will eventually cause damage to it, if it hasn’t already happened. Normally, you set the throttle so the engine turns at a desired speed. If you go up a hill or hit some heavy grass with the mower deck, the engine will slow down due to the increased load. When the governor is properly included, it “steps in” and applies more throttle to keep the engine speed as you wanted it. After extra load has eased, the governor will reduce the throttle. The way this happens is that the throttle lever pushes one end of a spring. The other end is attached to the governor. The governor is attached to the carb’s throttle plate and the governor’s internal mechanism either stretches or relaxes the spring based on engine speed. Slower speed, more stretch, higher throttle. Faster speed, less stretch, lower throttle. The spring balances the throttle level input, the governor pressure, and the throttle plate opening. Your current linkage has bypassed the spring and is holding the governor in a position its mechanism is fighting against. Something will have to give.

Drove the Raider down the road to one of our friend's place and took care of their lot as well. It was bitter cold, but surprisingly an hour+ on the tractor plowing two days in a row didn't fatigue me too bad. Impressive for a completely gear and mechanical drive unit. Seat position and seat itself help, but it is also just a well engineered machine. I liked mowing with it, but I think it excels at front blade work.

No, the contractor likely still had a firm hold of the door--probably a one-holer

Mods, if this is misplaced please move. Just want to wish each and everyone here a Blessed Christmas and a healthy and prosperous New Year, and remember,the reason for Christmas is Easter ! Bob

aww crap we got caught wandering…

Like the Restoration! Are you a "Cyclist"? with your RoubaixRider made me curious.

I think that's good advice, although I don't think I'd say "never" needs pumping, as it's normal to have small quantities of non-digestible material in the waste stream, such as dirt or synthetic fibers from washing clothes, etc., that will gradually build up in the tank, and some of the lighter material may start to block the effluent filter. We have our septic tank pumped and the effluent filter cleaned (or swapped for a clean one) perhaps every four years, give or take, just for good measure, and every time the guy comes out with his septic system sucker, he always comments on how 'clean' (his words) the system is and that it really doesn't "need pumping yet," although there's always some glop on the filter, and I like to keep that clear. After pumping, I always throw in some Rid-X or similar bacterial product just to get the bacterial action going as quickly as possible, whether it needs it or not. I should add that if one relies upon a garbage disposal unit to get rid of kitchen scraps, that can require more frequent septic pumping, as a lot of food scraps break down very slowly. It may help to use a septic-type disposal that grinds food into smaller particles to aid digestion, but it's still better to compost kitchen scraps rather than rely on a disposal unit.

There is no wrong place to wish our fellow Horse-A-Holics a Blessed Christmas and a Healthy and Prosperous New Year.

May be correct, I've slept since then so I'm not sure anymore.

Yup, only 100% ethanol free fuel used on all of my small engines! I found a gas station about 40 min round trip that has it. Every November, I go there and fill up 18 gallons of ethanol free fuel, and stabilize it all with Stabil. That lasts me the year, between the Wheel Horse, snow blower in the winter, lawn mower in the summer, and all the other small engines used throughout the year. Usually I have a few gallons left by next Nov, that I throw in the car and I restock again! Only case where I may use 10% ethanol fuel is in my generator, as she burns a lot of fuel. If we lose power for 2 days I'll go through at least 10 gallons, so usually I throw in normal fuel as I know it'll get burned through quickly. If any gas remains in the tank by the time the power comes back, I'll typically drain it and throw it in the vehicle.

Not really Bob ... I been crapping in mine for 40 years now and the first 30 years never did anything except removing roots. Then they came out with the mandatory inspection thing. Probably a good thing as the first time I had it pumped he discovered the concrete baffle had dropped down to the bottom. I asked him how much he would charge to go down and fix it. $100 he says. He showed me how to fix it and down I went. I was mush more frugal back then ... and younger.... Ok no solids ...

Did he say "OH.............................crap!" as he was going down?

Agreed. Wheelhorse company paperwork from around the vintage of your own tractor shows more than 20 available implements. That's not even getting into the myriad of aftermarket equipment. The more you use one, the more you will be impressed.

After having a tank pumped I always add RidX to get the bugs working again. Keep bleach use to a minimum so the bacteria aren’t harmed.

I have our 500 gallon tank pumped every 2 years by the same guy. They had a business card staple to a beam at the entrance to the crawl space when we bought the house. The first time we called, he walked right up the tank with his poker and hit the lid right on. I was amazed that he was that good. Then he told us that his dad had actually installed the system when the house was built in ‘79 and they’ve been servicing it ever since. Best $200 I spend every 2 years in my opinion.

I had a general idea. The grass dies early August there in a perfect square. Still had to dig around a bit since all the grass is brown right now. I was very happy to finally hit concrete!

This is a very over-simplified, and in many ways wrong perspective. Your statement simply paints with too broad of a brush in assuming all religions have the goal of "destroying the others", while it also misses quite a bit of nuance to the particular conflict between Islam and the Jews ( the people, not Judiaism the faith, as the Jews tend to be targeted for their ethnicity without regard for their religious beliefs). The big issue with Islam is that it is created out of whole cloth, and most of what is taught about it inside Islam itself is historically inaccurate, so anyone who questions it must be silenced. For more information on what I mean there I would encourage you to look at the work of Dr. Jay Smith and his Youtube channel Pfander Films. He has been researching this subject longer than I have been alive.

@FLtractor here is a good manual for you. Free down load. https://resources.kohler.com/power/kohler/enginesUS/pdf/tp_2379.pdf I see that your governor wheel has the extension arm on it. The cable should be run over the top of the muffler and hooked to the extension arm. A pic for reference.

As a fellow Bear I can assure we DO 💩 in the woods. And porta potties. Never under a bird feeder though.

Dont let @Pullstart around it with his flop flips on.

I assume you didn't open the door...

Awesome tool DR is owned by the company I work for. Generac bought DR in 2015. I believe that they moved manufacturing from Vermont to Wisconsin now. Not sure if they are made in Jefferson or Whitewater.

Good timing on this topic gentlemen. As it turns out, I came home from a trip to Virginia last night specifically so I could uncover our septic tank today before my guys come bright and early tomorrow morning to pump it out. It's a regular service, every 3 (or so) years, mandated by the township (which I don't like), but seems to work well for our particular system. And Mother Nature was (un)kind enough to leave 4" of snow here while I was gone, so that should be fun... I've already taken a couple of Advils, thankfully there's more where that came from. I've been through an emergency septic pumping, it wasn't pretty, and it certainly was aggravating. If I ever let it get that bad again, please, one of you guys just shoot me, or throw me in. I've been using Roebic products for decades, with good results.

I like how you posted, "YET"

It's the stuff used to tie rebar. Yup, pretty tuff. But 6 gauge has a diameter of .162"

Nice job! Are you going to get the stickers for it? Terry is AWESOME! https://www.redoyourhorse.com/

NEVER. Why add alcohol to the elimination of alcohol?

I have these on my Bronco. Been on there for over 15 years and they have held up very well. 23x10.50-12.

Apologies @FLtractor, seeing a WH that’s been abused can try the patience of some of us.

Well you aren't supposed to crap where you eat.

WOW! NICE FIND!!!! It's not even dirty! Guard that seat & muffler with your life!

The X700 series from Deere are probably the best GT out there, currently. No other manufacturer has one in their product line that can match it. The problem is, the price of a new one is just a bit less than a 1 Series Deere, so it's hard to justify one over a 1023 or 1025 JD.