grinchsr 599 #1 Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) After cutting for about 45 minutes I look down at the deck and notice black soot every where. Mule pulleys and deck spindles are free and belts look normal. Can these clutches be rebuilt? New ones are crazy money. Has anyone converted to manual PTO I probably have all the parts to do it. I clutch plate does make contact when switched on. Model is 73401 Serial 240000697 2004 315-8 with the Command motor. Clutch part # 5219-9 Edited July 15, 2022 by grinchsr 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 11,019 #2 Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) Looks like it was slipping for a while. That's basically brake dust from what I can see. If the clutch still engages (audible click when powered on), it may have enough adjustment to get you through the mowing season. Most electric clutches can be tightened or loosened as needed. Just remember that a tiny adjustment goes a long way. Check your manual and see if it has a procedure. Otherwise you may have to dig around online to find a procedure. Most clutches have 3 adjustment bolts on the outside of the bell. I don't see that on yours, so I'm not sure how to adjust that type. One thing to keep in mind- those Command engines can't take the axial load of a manual PTO, which is why they used electric clutches. You have to add a bearing and plate to them to use a manual clutch. Edited July 15, 2022 by kpinnc 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnymag3 2,448 #3 Posted July 15, 2022 Ray...just put a Magnum in that baby and switch to Manual PTO john Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grinchsr 599 #4 Posted July 15, 2022 Thanks for getting back to me. Can it take any side load? I am thinking about relieving it from grass duty and just letting it run a single stage blower which is light duty here in south CT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grinchsr 599 #5 Posted July 15, 2022 Funny you said that John I just happen to have a M14 on the shelf. Tempting but I want to save the clutch if I can 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill D 1,660 #6 Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) Does that engine have the one inch crank? If so, locate a complete PTO assembly with drive pulley from a GT1100/1142. The bearing for it should be a 5008-2RS if I remember correctly. Make a plate to mount to the engine out of 1/8" steel and setup the pulley as instructed in the manual. I did this on a GT1142 I picked up that had a Kohler Command in it and it worked great. I also have an electric clutch that I removed from a Husqvarna tractor recently. It looks about the same and may fit. Let me know if you are interested. Bill Edited July 16, 2022 by Bill D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grinchsr 599 #7 Posted July 15, 2022 Thanks Bill Got a part number for the clutch? Is it a Wagner? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill D 1,660 #8 Posted July 15, 2022 I think so. I'll check and send you a picture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 6,868 #10 Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) It looks like you have a clutch that was installed to replace the original. It may not have the ability to handle the torque loads required, in order to make something other than the original work, you will need to do the homework to find a compatible model. Here is what you have now. First thing, be sure that you have good wiring and voltage so that there is maximum grip. Edited July 15, 2022 by lynnmor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grinchsr 599 #11 Posted July 15, 2022 How do you know that it’s not original? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grinchsr 599 #12 Posted July 15, 2022 I just checked the date code on the clutch. It reads April 2004 The 315 is a 2004 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 6,868 #13 Posted July 16, 2022 3 hours ago, grinchsr said: How do you know that it’s not original? It is just a guess on my part, I have no tractor like that to compare to. It does have a different appearance than older models. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grinchsr 599 #14 Posted July 16, 2022 I understand no worries. I contacted Warner Electric today to see if it is rebuildable now waiting for them to get back to me.. I paid $600 for the whole tractor the price of a clutch is between $500 and $600. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnymag3 2,448 #15 Posted July 16, 2022 Thats insane money Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8ntruck 6,495 #16 Posted July 16, 2022 That is similar to a PTO bell for a C-195. Toro still has new ones that sell for about $400. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,199 #17 Posted July 16, 2022 You might be able to buy an old style Electric PTO like WH used years ago. I would guess there would be at least on threaded hole in the block that you could use for the mounting bracket Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ztnoo 2,298 #18 Posted July 16, 2022 Take a look at Ebay. Use "lawn tractor electric clutch" for your search term. My guess is you can find something very much like what you already have. Good luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
