Whats the trick to setting balance gears?

[RED-Z06 2,567]

I dont have the tool outlined in the manual, i watched a yt video and it seemed convoluted with marking and counting teeth...

[pfrederi 18,661]

There is no trick  it is complicated ...get the tool  I can loan you mine if you re interested

[RED-Z06 2,567]

I think i got it...definitely kinda complicated. Definitely got sliced up hands

[Wheelhorse#1 1,829]

Do you think it’s best to keep them ?

[oliver2-44 10,708]

Years ago I didn't have the tool and got it wrong, engine shook like all hell. Tore it down several times to get it right, now I've learned the easiest trick..... toss they over your shoulder into the scrap metal pile!

Edited January 7, 2022 by oliver2-44

[kpinnc 14,630]

I agree with oliver2-44 completely.

 

Best trick is to set them somewhere outside of the engine. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by kpinnc

[Gregor 4,847]

2 hours ago, RED-Z06 said:

I think i got it..

Definitely not something you want to "Think you got !"

[Jeff-C175 7,206]

33 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

outside of the engine.

 

They make good paper weights. (If you still use paper!)

[RED-Z06 2,567]

3 hours ago, Wheelhorse#1 said:

Do you think it’s best to keep them ?

Its a low hours engine, they are in good shape, ive run one without them and it shook the sheet metal off (K301QAS on a cub 1200), id rather not go thru that mess again.

[RED-Z06 2,567]

1 hour ago, Gregor said:

Definitely not something you want to "Think you got !"

I used the count the teeth and mark them method which got the upper set, then set the primary timing, then the lower was a tooth off on the secondary mark so i blocked the cam with paper towel and tapped the crank until the lower was clear, reclocked it.. and now when the crank is at tdc the weights are equally at bdc and vice versa...so that makes sense 

[Jeff-C175 7,206]

2 minutes ago, RED-Z06 said:

Its a low hours engine, they are in good shape, ive run one without them and it shook the sheet metal off (K301QAS on a cub 1200), id rather not go thru that mess again.

 

That statement makes me wonder why there are so many ppl on the i'net saying to remove them!  Why are their experiences different than yours?

 

Am I going to be sorry when I remove them in mine (soon) ?

 

Damn internet!  Do it, don't do it.  Big difference, no difference.  Who can you believe?

 

[RED-Z06 2,567]

8 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

That statement makes me wonder why there are so many ppl on the i'net saying to remove them!  Why are their experiences different than yours?

 

Am I going to be sorry when I remove them in mine (soon) ?

 

Damn internet!  Do it, don't do it.  Big difference, no difference.  Who can you believe?

 

I agree.  If this were a higher hours engine id probably rebearing them, i personally have never had one or seen one let go..i honestly think these engines are run too fast by people who just dont know 

[Greentored 3,220]

I personally did a back to back test, as in taking a running, operational machine, pulling the engine, flipping it over, popping the gears, slapping right back on the machine and running- it was still warm when I cranked it back up. There was absolutely a very noticeable difference, especially just off idle- maybe 1800-2000rpms, it would shake my eyeballs in their sockets. All other rpm ranges seemed like any other K series, and after running it for the summer I don't even notice it anymore.

FWIW it was a shaker plate K341 swapped onto my 1277, solid mounted, and the gears/needles were worn BAD, like, cannot believe they didnt come apart. There was very little telltale noises.....

Sometimes wonder if different engines respond differently to getting rid of the gears, as well as human perception and/or memory, as most of the time this would be done during an overhaul and much more than a couple hours had passed.

Edited January 7, 2022 by Greentored

[RED-Z06 2,567]

Well it turns over fine but its cold, assembly lube is stiff and the battery didnt have enough...tomorrow, tomorrow is the day.

 

 

[RED-Z06 2,567]

Guess i got it right...like a sewing machine 

 

 

[Greentored 3,220]

Excellent!  Nothing like firing up a fresh overhaul for the first time

[Snoopy11 5,718]

On 1/7/2022 at 5:12 AM, Greentored said:

Sometimes wonder if different engines respond differently to getting rid of the gears, as well as human perception and/or memory, as most of the time this would be done during an overhaul and much more than a couple hours had passed.

Well, me personally... for the most part... I wouldn't know what running one of these engines with the balance gears is like... because... along with the governor... it is the first thing I remove...

 

I had a bad experience with a cast rod at one time... and I know what "flying parts" can do inside an engine. Once it happens, and something explodes... you had better go out and buy a lottery ticket... as the parts continuum to fix it is outrageous...

 

Don

[kpinnc 14,630]

On 1/8/2022 at 12:39 PM, RED-Z06 said:

Guess i got it right...like a sewing machine

 

I do love the purr of a Kohler... 

[Wheelhorse#1 1,829]

Sounds good.Should go another 50 yrs or so.