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1974 WH C-162 vs. C-160

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Wellingtontx

So just picked up my first WH tractor.  Transmission is literally in a box.

 

First of all, the members on this forum are fabulous and have been extremely helpful with my transmission.

 

Second, just figured out that the unit is actually a C-162 per the Wheel Horse Tractor Master Model List.  Plate shows Model No.:  1-0385 9 with a HH160 Tecumseh motor.  

 

From a prior Wheel Horse post from 2011 discussing it seems like all the decals (including on my unit) badge them as a C-160.

 

Does anyone know if there are any technical differences between the C-162 and the C-160 ?

 

Has anyone ever seen decals for a C-162 - do they exist ?

 

Is there any database that shows how many C-162s were made ?

 

Thanks

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ebinmaine

:text-welcomeconfetti:

 

 

I've heard/read that your tractor is designated as "C162"  so the dealers know it has a Tecumseh engine.

I've never seen this in Wheel Horse produced literature so I do not know it to be fact.

It was marketed and sold as a C160. 

 

The hood is raised at the front to clear the taller overhead valve Tecumseh engine. 

 

EVERYTHING else is identical to a Kohler equipped machine, including decals. 

 

I have a '74 C160 Tecumseh tractor here as a future project. 

They are a tad rare. 

 

 

Please do post a few pics of your tractor. 

 

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ebinmaine
36 minutes ago, Wellingtontx said:

how many

I've seen estimates as low as 200 to 300. 

 

To the best of my knowledge Wheelhorse didn't keep a count on total or Kohler/Tecumseh engine numbers. 

 

 

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SylvanLakeWH

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Pullstart

:text-welcomeconfetti:  Stevasaurus has some excellent transmission videos in the instructional section of the forum that will be a big help in assembling your basket case.  We’d love to see pictures of your new machine!

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ebinmaine
50 minutes ago, gwest_ca said:

Never heard of a C-162.

You got me thinking there Garry.

I went back and corrected my original post to what I know. Not what is hearsay.

 

I've heard mention of and seen writings of the 1974 C160 with that engine being designated as a C-162/C162 in multiple places in the last couple years. NONE of those places were Wheel Horse literature or Wheel Horse manuals.

There is a model list on another website that shows a C162 but it doesn't appear to be a Wheel Horse produced list and I don't see any sources listed. 

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Wellingtontx

The information I saw that had my model number listed as a C-162 was a Wheel Horse Tractor Master Model List.

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ebinmaine
1 minute ago, Wellingtontx said:

The information I saw that had my model number listed as a C-162 was a Wheel Horse Tractor Master Model List.

Yes sir. I've seen that one too but I can't confirm it was created by Wheel Horse. 

 

Either way you're still in great shape.

Parts availability is excellent and once you get that thing up and running you'll find that tractor to be an absolute beast of a worker.

 

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Wellingtontx

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Wellingtontx

I am super excited for sure

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ebinmaine
1 minute ago, Wellingtontx said:

I am super excited for sure

Hard to tell on this little phone but it looks like a good solid machine. 

PTO Parts have been painted at some point.

 

Does the engine run right now?

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Wellingtontx

Eric - short answer is I don't know.  I was told nothing wrong with motor when it was parked and I absolutely trust the source of that information.  The issue is that it last ran I think several years ago and has been sitting outside since.  So I am keeping my fingers crossed.

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ebinmaine

That's a fair answer.

 

Highly advisable before you try to start it:

Pop the carb off and clean it out. Replace ALL fuel line.

Check for spark with a spark tester if you have one.

 

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Wellingtontx

Yes, Sir all great advice and will definitely follow your suggestions.

 

Need and will take all advice

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ebinmaine

One of the best things about this website is that no matter what problem you have, several of us have already experienced and solved it.

 

Dive in with both hands and hope for the best.

 

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clueless

According the decal on the tractor you have a C-160, at some point they came with a Kohler or a Tecumseh, never seen or heard of a C-162. You said it's a 1974, if you know that for sure then start looking for information on a 1974 C-160. 

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ebinmaine
9 minutes ago, clueless said:

, at some point they came with a Kohler or a Tecumseh

For a C160 that was '74. C120 was both '74 and '75. Seems to me I remember seeing a C120 could have been labeled differently in 75. "Special" maybe??

 

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Wellingtontx

If anyone knows how to check Model and Serial Numbers, this unit shows Model 10385 9  and a Serial Number 1037343.

 

I don't know if that helps clear up the confusion or add to it.  Def. a Tecumseh motor.

 

 

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ebinmaine
31 minutes ago, Wellingtontx said:

Model 10385 9

That model number would have been the original Tecumseh powered tractor. 

 

Not sure if the serial number designates anything other than sequential build order.  

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JCM

1-0385  1974 C-162 8 speed Tecumseh HH160-170019  16 Wheel Horse 5091 ?

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Wellingtontx

JCM - you are correct.  Engine tag shows a HH160 170019, 16 HP

 

Transmission appears to be a 5091

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ebinmaine
22 minutes ago, JCM said:

1-0385  1974 C-162 8 speed Tecumseh HH160-170019  16 Wheel Horse 5091 ?

 

15 minutes ago, Wellingtontx said:

JCM - you are correct.  Engine tag shows a HH160 170019, 16 HP

 

Transmission appears to be a 5091

 

I believe that's the same as the one I've got here. 

Interesting engine when you're used to lookin at flatheads. 

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oliver2-44

@Wellingtontx I will start by saying I have not worked on a Tecumseh in 50 years. But I have an Tecumseh HH60 to get running so I have been paying attention to what people post here.  There are some Tecumseh guru's here, and one thing I've picked up on is that the ignition coils and other electrical components are getting hard to find  and expensive (for some models). Also if you hook thinks up wrong you can easily fry them.  So before you tackle you engine find a engine manual in the Manual Section and do a little reading  and ask these guys questions!    Also Tecumseh carburetors  can be very finicky, and some here have had success putting Kohler carburetors on them.  Ok I've said everything I know about a Tecumseh.  O wait, they used to make good air conditioner compressors, now I'm done!

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ebinmaine
5 hours ago, oliver2-44 said:

have an Tecumseh HH60 to get running so I have been paying attention to what people post here

Some point or another I do as well. 

@Gregor has recently done one. 

 

I've got some videos saved aside. Let me know if you want me to send you the links. 

 

5 hours ago, oliver2-44 said:

electrical components are getting hard to find  and expensive (for some models). 

 

A huge advantage a big block Tecumseh has over the small block is that if the ignition goes bad it can be "retro-repaired" using easily obtained modern parts. 

I don't recall the specifics. It involves a regular coil, an easily made bracket, and an abs sensor as the trigger. 

 

 

 

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