squonk 43,944 #1 Posted May 6, 2020 Curious what year and what models were the first long frame WH. My 1267 is a long frame and my 857 is a shortie. What's the easiest way to tell by pictures? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 73,004 #2 Posted May 6, 2020 I'm not sure if one could tell by a pictures unless you had them side-by-side as a comparison. I know that the amount for the hood is a little different on my 1267 versus Trina's 867. Sits a little higher off the front of the frame. As far as I know the 12(#)7 were the first long frames, not counting the big wheel tractors. I may not be 100% right but I'm under the impression that from 67 to 72, small block engines were short frames and big block engines were long frames. Not sure about 73. I do know that 74 and 75, the B80 frame was a mid-length frame. No longer short. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 18,242 #3 Posted May 6, 2020 1 hour ago, squonk said: What's the easiest way to tell by pictures? The long slim hood Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 67,062 #4 Posted May 6, 2020 1076 might have the 12x7’s beat by a year... it seems longer than my short frames.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,433 #5 Posted May 6, 2020 2 hours ago, squonk said: Curious what year and what models were the first long frame WH I believe that anything 1966 or newer with a 10hp or larger engine was a long frame. I know that my 1076 is a long frame. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 43,944 #6 Posted May 6, 2020 My main question is: Is a 1075 a long or short? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kasey54 305 #7 Posted May 6, 2020 Ithink its the same as the 875. Short Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kasey54 305 #8 Posted May 6, 2020 I also think its the last short made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 67,062 #9 Posted May 6, 2020 This is @76c12091520h’s picture from one of his hauls... (Happy Birthday too!) Sure looks short to me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 73,004 #10 Posted May 6, 2020 1075 is a short frame. Yes. It's the only big block short frame in the 60s series of tractors. The 10 horse pan is a smaller pan and there's no dipper on the connecting rod to make up for the loss of space. 10 minutes ago, kasey54 said: I also think its the last short made. It's the last and only short, with a big block. After that, 6 or 8 horse only on a short frame tractor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857 horse 2,588 #11 Posted May 6, 2020 i know i never have any technical input,,,,,,,,,BUT !!!!!!! I cant say i have ever seen runningboards on a short frame,,,,,,,,??!!??!!! and viseversa most all long frames do have them.... no,,,?? yes ?? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 73,004 #12 Posted May 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, 857 horse said: i know i never have any technical input,,,,,,,,,BUT !!!!!!! I cant say i have ever seen runningboards on a short frame,,,,,,,,??!!??!!! and viseversa most all long frames do have them.... no,,,?? yes ?? Nearly. 1966 and 1967 long frame had stirrups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,433 #13 Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, squonk said: My main question is: Is a 1075 a long or short? I may have had my dates wrong. A 1075 should be the same as a 1076, both long frames I believe. I'll do some research. Edited May 6, 2020 by Achto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 73,004 #14 Posted May 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Achto said: I may have had my dates wrong. A 1075 should be the same as a 1076, both long frames I believe. I just realized that third character is a 7 which would indicate a hydro. What year was the first Hydro? For some reason my mind registered that as a 1045. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,433 #15 Posted May 6, 2020 1965 was the first year for hydro. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BOB ELLISON 2,981 #16 Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) Not sure if you can tell by pictures. Long frame- Short frame The first long framed Wheel Horse models came out in 1966. Here is a list of short frame Wheel Horses. 1961 - 701 1962 - 502, 552, 702, Lawn Ranger 1963 - 603, 633, 653, 753, Lawn Ranger 1964 - 604, 654, 704, 754, 854, 1045, Lawn Ranger 1965 - 605, 655, 855, 875, 1075, 1055, Lawn Ranger 1966 - 606, 656, 856, 876, Lawn Ranger 1967 - 607, 657, 857, 867, Lawn Ranger 1968 - Commando 6, Commando 8, '500' SPECIAL, Lawn Ranger 1969 - WORKHORSE 700 Other tractors like the 1974 and 1975 model B-80 were considered a mid frame. Wild Bill in Richmond, Va Edited May 6, 2020 by BOB ELLISON 3 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,433 #17 Posted May 6, 2020 2 hours ago, squonk said: My main question is: Is a 1075 a long or short? I did some searching through the manuals Mike, here is my findings. 1076, 1276, 1077,1277 all known long frames used frame part number 6456 875 and 1075 both used frame part number 6102 this is the same frame that was used on an 876. 876 is a known short frame so I guess that your 1075 would be a short frame. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 43,944 #18 Posted May 6, 2020 Ok I guess that answers my question. I know of a 1075 with a wrecked hood and a NOS hood for a long frame 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites