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[Lonnie 35]

Please tell me where the other end of the 2 wires go, I put new battery in and was going to spray carb  cleaner to see if engine would start but got no sound when pushed start button and it looks to be wired up. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. 

[953 nut 60,381]

11 minutes ago, Lonnie said:

tell me where the other end of the 2 wires go,

It appears that a previous owner has done some rewiring and it will be hard to tell where they go.

If you will tell us what model   you have we can provide a wiring diagram and help get you headed in the right direction.

16 minutes ago, Lonnie said:

no sound when pushed start button

Could you show us a picture of the starter button, most  didn't leave the factory with one.

[Lonnie 35]

51 minutes ago, Lonnie said:

Please tell me where the other end of the 2 wires go, I put new battery in and was going to spray carb  cleaner to see if engine would start but got no sound when pushed start button and it looks to be wired up. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. 

Thank you. The engine is a K181s   Wheelhorse is a 1962 

[Lonnie 35]

1 hour ago, 953 nut said:

It appears that a previous owner has done some rewiring and it will be hard to tell where they go.

If you will tell us what model   you have we can provide a wiring diagram and help get you headed in the right direction.

Could you show us a picture of the starter button, most  didn't leave the factory with one.

 

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,528]

Looks like it should be wired as a model 702. Click on the picture and again on the ones that come up. 702 wiring is there.

Garry

[Lonnie 35]

6 minutes ago, gwest_ca said:

Looks like it should be wired as a model 702. Click on the picture and again on the ones that come up. 702 wiring is there.

Garry

702 Looks more correct . 

[Lonnie 35]

2 hours ago, 953 nut said:

It appears that a previous owner has done some rewiring and it will be hard to tell where they go.

If you will tell us what model   you have we can provide a wiring diagram and help get you headed in the right direction.

Could you show us a picture of the starter button, most  didn't leave the factory with one.

Look at the letters on this, is that saying other end should be hooked to battery? 

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,528]

Never seen one marked battery. Usually we see + which just means that is where the source of power is connected. This is what is commonly known as battery style of ignition and guess that is where the Bat came from.

What is on the other small terminal that goes to the points? 

 

Garry

[Lonnie 35]

22 minutes ago, gwest_ca said:

Never seen one marked battery. Usually we see + which just means that is where the source of power is connected. This is what is commonly known as battery style of ignition and guess that is where the Bat came from.

What is on the other small terminal that goes to the points? 

 

Garry

Nothing that I can see 

[953 nut 60,381]

The "starter switch" you have is only rated for 20 Amps which is not sufficient for your Starter/Generator. Do you also have a solenoid (pictured below) with a large wire going to the battery and another large wire going to the "A" terminal of the Starter/Generator?

Edited September 26, 2019 by 953 nut

[Lonnie 35]

2 minutes ago, Lonnie said:

Nothing that I can see 

As you know, I know nothing about this but what is the possibility that those two wires should be connected to a on -off switch? ( there not one on it) 

[Lonnie 35]

6 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

The "starter switch" you have is only rated for 20 Amps which is not sufficient for your Starter/Generator. Do you also have a solenoid (pictured below) with a large wire going to the battery and another large wire going to the "A" terminal of the Starter/Generator?

No, don’t see any thing like that , nor cables that would use with it. 

[WHNJ701 4,165]

you might just want to start fresh and rewire the whole machine following the wiring diagram.  some fresh copper and connections to the correct places will keep it going for another 50 years.

[Lonnie 35]

4 minutes ago, Lonnie said:

No, don’t see any thing like that , nor cables that would use with it. 

 

[Lonnie 35]

8 minutes ago, jabelman said:

you might just want to start fresh and rewire the whole machine following the wiring diagram.  some fresh copper and connections to the correct places will keep it going for another 50 years.

You are right,  can you tell me what wire and connections I need to do that with. I was just trying to see if engine would run before I take it apart. 

[953 nut 60,381]

The previous owner had just enough electrical knowledge to be dangerous! You will either want to buy a starter switch rated at 70 amps, 

 or add a solenoid. The wires that comes from the battery to ground, and the starter switch,and  from the  starter switch to the "A" terminal of the S/G should all be #6 AWG  (battery cables). You can buy it all at Tractor supply.

[wallfish 18,244]

If you just want to "hotwire" it to get it running for testing.

Use jumper cables or a battery box and connect the ground clamp to the engine mounting bolt.

For the positive side, clamp that little red wire from the coil which doesn't go anywhere into the positive clamp. Now touch that positive clamp to this terminal marked below on the starter generator. Once the engine starts pull the positive clamp away from touching the starter terminal but leave the little red wire clamped in it.

Spray some gas or carb cleaner in the carb right before touching the starter terminal

 

 

 

Edited September 27, 2019 by wallfish

[Lonnie 35]

7 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

The previous owner had just enough electrical knowledge to be dangerous! You will either want to buy a starter switch rated at 70 amps, 

 or add a solenoid. The wires that comes from the battery to ground, and the starter switch,and  from the  starter switch to the "A" terminal of the S/G should all be #6 AWG  (battery cables). You can buy it all at Tractor supply.

Thank you very much, will buy it tomorrow 

[WHNJ701 4,165]

9 minutes ago, Lonnie said:

You are right,  can you tell me what wire and connections I need to do that with. I was just trying to see if engine would run before I take it apart. 

my 854 I used stranded 12 ga, THHN, and I have mixed wire connection kit from harbor freight.  the heavy gauge i just matched up at napa.

  after a full rewire all my gremlins went away

[Lonnie 35]

8 minutes ago, wallfish said:

If you just want to "hotwire" it to get it running for testing.

Use jumper cables or a battery box and connect the ground clamp to the engine mounting bolt.

For the positive side, clamp that little red wire from the coil which doesn't go anywhere into the positive clamp. Now touch that positive clamp to this terminal marked below on the starter generator. Once the engine starts pull the positive clamp away from touching the starter terminal but leave the little red wire clamped in it.

Spray some gas or carb cleaner in the carb right before touching the starter terminal

 

Thank you very much, you guys have already taught me a lot. 

[wallfish 18,244]

That's why we're here!

BTW that yellow wire is for accessories like lights or something. You don't need it if you don't have anything to connect to it

[c-series don 10,159]

My goodness, have you ever seen a site where the people are so helpful and nice? 

[Lonnie 35]

24 minutes ago, c-series don said:

My goodness, have you ever seen a site where the people are so helpful and nice? 

When I decided to do this project I was very worried because I don’t know anything about this, once I found the ones here I am not worried, I know they will help me with it. Would love to meet them in person. I have always said there good and caring people all over this great country. 

[rjg854 12,259]

You're not going to find a better group so willing help with whatever the concerns might be 

[wallfish 18,244]

51 minutes ago, c-series don said:

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27 minutes ago, Lonnie said:

I know they will help me with it.

How about some over all pics of your tractor?

What are your plans with it?