need help to id this horse

[jason dewitt 0]

hello i got a hores and from what i can tell the tag ids as a c-101 8 speed but this is a hydro and what deck would it have havent looked for tags on deck thanks

[Sparky-(Admin) 23,314]

  So it’s definitely a 1978 or 1979 machine. The C-101 wasn’t offered as a hydro, the smallest HP machine with a Hydro then was the C-121.

  I’m thinking if that’s the I’d tag under the dash then some one has swapped the dash tower from a C-101 into a hydro machine...or took the time to install a hydro tranny setup in a C-101. 

  What are the numbers off the motor?

[Burnerman 759]

My 78  10hp C101 is a 10k801 wouldn’t this be a 12hp?

[The Tuul Crib 7,339]

To 

jason!!!

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,528]

1 hour ago, Burnerman said:

My 78  10hp C101 is a 10k801 wouldn’t this be a 12hp?

 

What is missing on the tag are the first two numbers which have been scrapped off because they were painted or printed on.

Full model number is 91-10K802

9 = 1979

1 = garden tractor as opposed to lawn tractor which would be 2

10 = engine horse power

K = Kohler engine

8 = 8-speed transmission

02 = parts list identifier

 

15223 is the serial number

 

9022 is the Julian build date = 22nd day of 1979 = Monday January 22, 1979

 

Garry

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,528]

No way for us to guess what deck it is other than a 42" side discharge model.

 

Here is a list of the 42" SD decks in the order they were produced

Mower DNA

1966-1967 model RL-426 replaced by

1968 model 5-1421

1969 model 5-1422

1970 model 5-1423

1971 model 5-1000

1971-1972 model 5-1001

1973-1974 model 5-1010

1975 model 5-1011

1975 model 5-1012

1976 model 65-42MS01

1976 model 65-42MS02

1977 model 75-42MS01 - These 42" side discharge decks all use blades with 5/8" x 3/4" double-D center hole unless the spindles have been upgraded (Do not have operator manual)

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1977 model 75-42MS02 replaced by (Do not have operator manual)

1978 model 85-42MS01 (Do not have operator manual)

1979 model 95-42MS00 (Do not have operator manual)

1979 model 95-42MS01 (Do not have operator manual)

1980 model 05-42MS01 (Have operator manual)

1981-1983 model 05-42MS02

1984 model 05-42MS03 - Last year for bearings with 3/4" ID

1985 model 05-42MS04 - First year for bearings with 17mm ID unless older spindles were updated.

1986-1988 model 05-42MS05

1989 model 15-42SC01

1990 model 15-42SC02

1990-1992 model 15-42SC03

1993-2007 and 2009-2012 model 78345 -  These decks all use blades with a 3/4" center hole.

 

Note - 17mm is .669"

 

Garry

[953 nut 60,383]

7 hours ago, jason dewitt said:

c-101 8 speed but this is a hydro

              Hard to tell where this mystery started.  Could it be that a factory worker having a bad day riveted the wrong tag onto it while on the line?

Is the engine a K-241 or a K-301?   What is the "Spec #" on the engine tag?

Looks like a good   and we are glad you found us.

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,528]

The 1979 C-121 Automatic came with a manual attachment lift.

The larger engined automatics came with hydraulic lift.

 

Garry

[jason dewitt 0]

here are engine tags serial number is 9761022

[jason dewitt 0]

yes i know someone molested the dash with the old style of starter button key only turns power on and off the button starts it lol 

Edited September 9, 2019 by jason dewitt
forgot to write in lol

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,528]

Kohler made serial number 9761022 in 1979.

Wheel Horse used K241AS-46805d in a 1980 model C-105 8-Speed model number 01-10K801.

 

Garry

[953 nut 60,383]

1 hour ago, jason dewitt said:

the dash with the old style of starter button key only turns power on and off the button starts it lol 

That is a previous owner modification for sure. Nothing wrong with it, it works - use it. Unless you have a burning desire to make it 100% original.

[jason dewitt 0]

33 minutes ago, gwest_ca said:

Kohler made serial number 9761022 in 1979.

Wheel Horse used K241AS-46805d in a 1980 model C-105 8-Speed model number 01-10K801.

 

Garry

so i guess this is a mix match of parts is what ur saying lol  bigest thing i need to know is what filter the trans has and what oil i know its motor oil i checked the dipstick and i see post saying about a tow valve i dont see one on this thing and you can push it a little then it stops i dont care really about the tow valve it drives like it should so im happy lol 

Edited September 9, 2019 by jason dewitt

[953 nut 60,383]

13 minutes ago, jason dewitt said:

i need to know is what filter the trans has and what oi

The filter would be a NAPA 1410 and you should use 10 W 30 motor oil.

[jason dewitt 0]

ok heres more to add to the mistery  i found this tag today behind engine below battery box by the steering gear so it has 2 tags one below dash and one under battery by the steering 

[jason dewitt 0]

can the engine be a 12 hp and have a 10 hp shroud ? if so how can i id the engine

[oldredrider 2,553]

You can determine engine size by pulling the head off and measuring the bore and stroke. An actual engine ID may be lost in the history books.

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,528]

Have seen a few of the ID plates beside the fan gear before but never paid any attention to what models did this. 

Recorded all this with the hope the mystery will be solved someday. If I have any of the numbers wrong correct me.

Click on the fuzzy pictures to see the notes.

Garry