314-A bypass?

[Mattbg79 1]

I have a 314A with a manual lift so i believe its the eaton 700 pump. I looked forever today for a way to bypass the pump so i could roll this thing. Is their one? Its a project that dosent run right now.

[kpinnc 14,606]

SOME of the 700 series pumps have a spring-loaded CLOSED tow valve. You'll have to hold it in to move the tractor.

Otherwise, get a dolly. Don't force the tractor or you can break some important stuff.

Kevin

[Docwheelhorse 2,740]

Hmmmm--where is this valve so I can figure out how to push this thing..... I have a 312-A with the 700 and yes it needs to get pushed around till I get the parts I need to get it running. (Battery, head gasket, points.....)

Tony

[Nick 13]

I assume the 700 might be the same as an 1100 when it comes to pushing it around? I believe the 520-H 1100 manual says to move the hydro control forward then slowly push the tractor but not tow it. :omg:

[Docwheelhorse 2,740]

Thanks Nick, I will try it. Gotta love the Hydros Between the leaks, adjustments, nightmare oil change routine and the inability to help a 'horse get to the stable for some rest when needed (push....) I can see why so many people want them to go back into production. As Benedict Arnold said---"Give me an Eight Speed or Give me Death!"

Tony

[Nick 13]

Tony, I only had a 314 with the 700 eaton for a few weeks and never read a manual for one. And moving the control still doesnt make it all that easy to push a 520. I have always have said there are trade offs from hydro to gear drives but the perfect fix is simply to own at least one of each.

Now for the complaint I always did have about the hydro tractors. Why a tractor selling at prices near $5,000 back in the 80s and early 90s didnt have a 2 speed transaxle is beyond me. Especially the top of the line models like the big D, C-195 and 520. How hard could it have been to simply add a low range. Toro finally did it with the xi but they were even more expensive.

[WHC-125 4]

Hmmmm--where is this valve so I can figure out how to push this thing..... I have a 312-A with the 700 and yes it needs to get pushed around till I get the parts I need to get it running. (Battery, head gasket, points.....)

Tony

Tony, if you really wanna move your 312-A hop on that B-80 Monster and lift it up to where you wanna go :drool:

[kpinnc 14,606]

Hmmmm--where is this valve so I can figure out how to push this thing.....

Tony mine was on the very back of the 700 series pump, pointing straight back to the rear of the tractor. Just a little push-in knob. It's a pain to hold it in to push the tractor at the same time. Dunno why WH didn't extend a little lever out or something.

Kevin

[Rideawaysenior 25]

Nick,

I'm in complete agreement. A local dealer out here who was part of the advisory council or presidents club told me that because of the infinite variable drive, The engineers thought that it was not a necessary option because you could get the same amount of power continually. This being in theory of course. Many of the other successful brands such as Bolens, John Deere and a couple of others did have the dual range tranny as well as a diff lock feature. I honestly feel that Wheel Horse would have only benefited from such additional features. I do suspect that there was a method to their madness though. I'm working under the premise that these were not offered for two reasons. One being cost. I have my doubts that the cost would have been huge but I think it would have been big enough to make them less competitive. Second, with the addition of a diff lock it would have created a weak spot within the tranny. Everyone knows that one of the biggest reasons Wheel Horse was such a success was due to the fact that they built a high quality machine for an exceptionally reasonably price. Just to go apples to apples, a John Deere 212 was priced much higher then a 312 and although the JD was a nice machine, the Wheel Horse was in my opinion better built and easier to work on.

[Rideawaysenior 25]

As far as a bypass for the Eatons, your best bet is to get the rear wheels off the ground and move it that way. Pushing them is a PITA and towing them can cause damage to PRV valves. It stinks but much better then the alternative. :omg:

[Mattbg79 1]

This is my first hydro, i bought it to restore and the thing was sitting in a barn. we actually had to lift this thing into the back of my 4x4 dodge which isnt exactly a lowrider. The rear tires wont turn no matter what i do with the direction lever, its like trying to push a manual in first gear. I pulled it down some ramps onto my garage floor with my 310. I wet it all down so it slid easily. So does this mean i have a problem with the axle? Again, this is my first automatic, im clueless here.

[kpinnc 14,606]

So does this mean i have a problem with the axle? Again, this is my first automatic, im clueless here.

No, not necessarily. It shouldn't roll freely, and that is just a bad shortcoming of the 700 series pump.

You won't know if the pump is good until after you've driven the tractor for a minimum of 30 minutes. That will allow the oil in it to warm up, and if it starts to get weak, you'll know it's a bad pump.

Good luck!

Kevin

[wh500special 2,263]

Tony mine was on the very back of the 700 series pump, pointing straight back to the rear of the tractor. Just a little push-in knob. It's a pain to hold it in to push the tractor at the same time. Dunno why WH didn't extend a little lever out or something.

I've never had a regular tractor with the #700 pump, but FWIW the 700 series zero turns had two of them. There was a D-shaped wire loop hanging on the casting boss by each release valve. To hand push that tractor you pressed the valve in and positioned the "D" over the stem to hold it in place...to re-engage you just flipped the D lever back out of the way.

Perhaps the D is hiding in the muck and gunge somewhere???? Not sure if the tractors actually have this piece but thought I'd throw this info out there anyway...

Steve

[Mattbg79 1]

I dont see a thing on this 314 anywhere. the guy i got it from said it used to be his neighbors, and he saw him push it around with no problem, but didnt know what he did to make that happen.

[Anthony Wendover 124]

my gt-1800 auto work horse I can push.. Well before I dismantled it. All I did was push the lever forward. And I had a blower and snow cab on it and I could push it.. But that is the 1100 Eaton...

[Docwheelhorse 2,740]

1100 Eatson;s push real easy, I am going to pull the seat pan off to clean mine and lube th elinkage and will look for a releief valve or D ring....

Tony

[Mattbg79 1]

Im starting to wish i would have left this one alone, the more i look the more i see isnt there, or something else is broke. Im going to have to buy quite a bit of stuff, and spend a couple days putting it together just to see if it runs and the pump is any good. The motor turns good and has compression so that should be good, as far as the rest I just dont understand how anyone could invest in a quality machine, and destroy it, leave them sitting outside, etc. Even when i had a second hand mtd i washed it every mow(even the underside of the deck) and did regular maint.Hell, i even waxed and armour alled that junker. And i continue to do this to my wheel horses, even my Stihl weedeater and chainsaws get a bath after every use.