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Hi guys.... I think i have a c120 (it say model 1-0490) ...and serial number 137589. (Belgium).

Its an automatic. I can read the letters "charger" on the side....

The thing that gets me wondering....it has a 14hp Kohler engine which seems to be original (the previous owner said it was too) 

But im not able to find a 14hp charger automatic....Any ideas ? 

Havnt i searched enough ? or has someone just setup another engine ?

 

Actually... im starting to like the "rust" (huh? )...

As you can see...it has got some work...at least i got the engine making "turns"....so ill get that running.

Dont think the transmission is working though...snif snif...

 

Another ....saved from its horrible destiny....HAPPY :-) 

And yes....first time this year...coffee outside in the sun...lovely :-)

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think someone may have changed the motor tin? I see the flywheel screen is off. Might be the clue.

None the less, looks pretty good! The body is not all beat up.

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2 hours ago, henryhpsd said:

I think i have a c120 (it say model 1-0490)

:text-coolphotos:             I like workers, looks good.              :confusion-confused:               

 

In the States that model number would be a 1974 C-120 with a Kohler 12 HP Spec Number 47421D and a Sundstrand 90-1136 transaxle, but I don't know if that holds true in Europe. If the Kohler has a Spec. Number that could help you figure out what it was from.

 

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Posted (edited)

Thank you for the replies.!!!

 

The flywheel...that was me... working on it... the colour / rust of the engine and the rest are similair.

Visuable diffrence now is due to oilspray... (try to find and get the letters readable hihi)

 

Im not able (yet) to get any indication they dont belong to each other (original)

 

Attached a picture of the numbers... hope that provides a clue  ?

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The spec # 60137d was built for Wheel Horse

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The spec. number of your engine matches up to a 1973 14HP "No Name" and was used on automatic and 8 speeds.

 

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Hard to say how many changes were made by previous owners over four and a half decades.

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Ah..that rings a bell..

the "no name" year 73.. 

I remember reading about that.

(Still a bit new to WH hihi)

 

A logical explination could be if the owner said... i want that charger..but with a 14hp in it...

 

There is a sticker on it from the dealer "lozeman" They were kind enough to answer me in the past...hopefully they will provide me that favour again

Ill ask if they can remember something.

 

Thanks again 953 nut ...!

 

 

 

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137559 is a 1974 Belgium serial number.

The Charger and Raider model names did continue in Europe for a few years after they quit in the USA.

There is a 1975 Charger 12 model 1-0491 in France.

Click on the picture

 

Garry

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Hi All !

 

Thank you for your help, it is (as always) appreciated !

 

So lets see...

The engine is "dedicated" for a 14hp automatic "no name" 1973

The Tractor it self provides a 1974 indication. (12hp)

 

From what i know, and will never be "sure" is that the engine came original with the chassis. 

 

That leaves open:

1- it is a "sold" as is product.

2- The buyer said....I like that Charger...but want a 14hp engine in it...is that possible ?

3- The "said so" history isnt correct...and one did change the engine 

4- The caps op the Kohler says 321 ..but it actually is a 12hp

 

I can rule out nr 4.

The rest ...hmm....other than asking Lozeman (who still is in business and i know still are Wheel Horse enthusiasts !) ...

I dont think i can do anything else...

Possibly if i take it apart and i can find "details" of an engine transfer....or that i can find something that it never has been off ?

 

Cant wait to get it up and running ....sure looks like a worker...!

Amazing differences in part prices compared to the Onans i just did, hoping that kohler engine is a "good one" (compared to an onan...not much experience on them besides a 8hp commando..

 

Thanks again ! Enjoy the Easter !

 

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Is the engine serial number decal long gone? The front of the Kohler service manual lists the serial numbers and years produced.

 

Garry

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Garry, Im afraid i dont understand the question (could be Im Dutch hihi)

The serial number can be seen in the photo above (?)...at least thats what i think you are asking.

If not, could you provide the question in another way ?

 

Thank you !

 

Kind regards,

 

Henry

 

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Posted (edited)

He was looking for the serial number of the engine.  May be a separate silver sticker near the model and spec# sticker.

 

EDIT:  Serial sticker is the lower one in this picture

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Another way to identify the model is by the transmission tags. From your pics I'd say it was built post 1974 but who knows in the European market..?

Only way to truly tell which engine is in it - pull the cylinder head off and measure the bore. There could be another casting mark on the pto side of the block as well. That series tractor is easy to swap parts from another model,  so hard to know it's true history.

 

Sarge

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Thanks guys....

The number underneath on the Kohler reads: 5319657

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