N3PUY 1,031 #1 Posted June 18, 2016 I gave this poor tractor a ride home today. I've been dealing on this 414/16-8 for a week now. I had only seen it in pictures but I went to get it today anyways. One side of the hood had a 414-8 decal and the others side has a 416-8 decal. I pressure washed it and the 414-8 decal flaked right off. The Onan P216 motor runs but has a noise.... sounds like a rod. The PO told me that when we started dealing. Has good Deestone 23/10.5x12 ags on the rear. And a really solid RD deck. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Mo-(Moderator) 4,610 #2 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) Wow, that thing fit in the back of that Dodge Caravan. That's awesome. It must be a Grand Caravan, as I had a regular 2002 Caravan and I'm sure it isn't long enough for one to fit in. Edited June 18, 2016 by T-Mo 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N3PUY 1,031 #3 Posted June 18, 2016 1 minute ago, T-Mo said: Wow, that thing fit in the back of that Dodge Caravan. That's awesome. It must be a Grand Caravan, as I had a regular 2002 Caravan and I'm sure it isn't long enough for one to fit in. It is just a short Caravan. Look at this pic .... be amazed! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elliot ness 1,916 #4 Posted June 18, 2016 Finally a good use for a mini van. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMC RULES 37,196 #5 Posted June 18, 2016 Why not a ... the soccer moms drive 'em like trucks. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
can whlvr 994 #6 Posted June 19, 2016 if its got an onan its a 416 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N3PUY 1,031 #7 Posted June 19, 2016 9 minutes ago, can whlvr said: if its got an onan its a 416 It's an Onan..... a very noisy Onan. Sounds like connecting rod. It's only got 580 hours on the meter. But I don't know if it works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tankman 3,523 #8 Posted June 19, 2016 Nice Horse. Be sure to update your progress. That van is packed! Like WOW! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N3PUY 1,031 #9 Posted June 19, 2016 Well, I thought I'ld look it over a little after it got washed. Not too bad of condition. But the motor ..... will an oil change help? Probably not when pieces come out of the drain hole. From what I see it never had an oil change, really dirty. Never need an oil change because the 90 fitting on the drain pipe is very loose and leaks. Just add oil. When I took the oil drain cap off the first thing that came out was a rollpin. Where in the engine did that come from? It's not bent or damaged. Then the black oil came out. And the oil filter is an Onan.... original? Most WH owners around here go the a parts store and get a NAPA or Wix or Hastings filter. I'll put a new filter on it and 30W and see what happens. I know the oil change won't replace the rollpin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N3PUY 1,031 #10 Posted June 19, 2016 The engine has a problem ..... the front piston doesn't move! It is down and that is where it stays. Looks like I'll be tearing it apart just to see what happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 10,738 #11 Posted June 19, 2016 Since you nee me decals Put a Kohler 17 hp trim in it and get som 417 decals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aldon 4,828 #12 Posted June 19, 2016 22 hours ago, N3PUY said: It is just a short Caravan. Look at this pic .... be amazed! 900 # GT14. Wow. My son in law loves his caravan. I'll have to show him this pic! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N3PUY 1,031 #13 Posted June 19, 2016 I got some of the motor apart and found some history. It's been into before .... clear and black silicone instead of new gaskets. And on the inside of the belt guard is "C-161". What happened to the original guard? I was expecting to find the cooling fins packed with oil and grass .... they are nice and clean. The ignition module has been replaced ... the old one was in the box in the seat pocket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougC 2,643 #14 Posted June 19, 2016 Better put a great big decal on both front doors and a Caution, Wheel Horse aboard! signage displayed on the rear lift gate window..... I would have never believed a would fit inside a minivan, and that being said...... Better stop there before I get banned....... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N3PUY 1,031 #15 Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) I got it pretty much stripped down. Doesn't even look the same now! And here's pics of the front cylinder. It actually ran on just the rear cylinder. It could be driven around. It was just noisy. If the piston wasn't moving how did all that stuff get in there? Edited June 19, 2016 by N3PUY 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N3PUY 1,031 #16 Posted June 19, 2016 And here are pics of the rear cylinder. Looks good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N3PUY 1,031 #17 Posted June 19, 2016 And now pics of the inside. Crank looks OK. Might just need a rod and piston. BUT where did that rollpin come from? And I still hear a "clunk" when the rear piston reaches the top. So it probably has something wrong there too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tankman 3,523 #18 Posted June 20, 2016 22 hours ago, can whlvr said: if its got an onan its a 416 My '85 416-8 is a one cylinder brute Kohler! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N3PUY 1,031 #19 Posted June 20, 2016 I found the noise ..... the remaining rod has excessive play on the crank. Tankman: I had a 416-8 with a Kohler. Sold it a few months ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WNYPCRepair 1,923 #20 Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, N3PUY said: BUT where did that rollpin come from? Searching the parts manual for the engine, there are very few pins listed, and only one roll pin (dowel pin, actually)http://www.searspartsdirect.com/model-part/t260gga0243851a/0776/1503500/00031944/00001.html Edited June 20, 2016 by WNYPCRepair Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horse46 519 #21 Posted June 20, 2016 Mine isn't the same engine ( Kohler 16hp) but I had a roll pin cut loose from the governor, does this motor have the same set up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,802 #22 Posted June 20, 2016 Good pics on what happens when you don't change oil like your supposed to! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N3PUY 1,031 #23 Posted June 20, 2016 7 hours ago, WHX61/3 said: Good pics on what happens when you don't change oil like your supposed to! E-X-A-C-T-L-Y Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cameron670 33 #24 Posted June 21, 2016 I saw this while scanning ads a few days ago. Now I don't need to wonder how deep the problem was !!!! I am skeemin on a Local 520 - 8 right now...... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmsgaffer 2,053 #25 Posted June 24, 2016 I have a P220 Onan for sale if you are interested in just replacing it. It has under 500 hrs on it and I bought it from a member on here for a spare, but spare engines take up too much room . I can ship via fastenal if you are interested. PM me for details. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites