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Phatboy

Good job buddy,, and a tip i got from my dealer ,, put red locktite on set screws and tourqe to 28 - 32 lbs so says the book ,, i went to 30 when i did mine,, she is still a great looking horse you got there sparky !!

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woodchuckfarmer

Nice work. I have a rig with a 20 ton jack that works even on the worst rusted on hubs.

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Retired Sparky
1 hour ago, woodchuckfarmer said:

Nice work. I have a rig with a 20 ton jack that works even on the worst rusted on hubs.

   I was lucky, mine came off with a 1 1/2 ton jack.

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Sparky

Good write up! Job well done.

Mike.....

 

 

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elcamino/wheelhorse

Great write up , like the stand , going to print this thread for the reference notebook.:bow-blue:

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Retired Sparky
16 minutes ago, elcamino/wheelhorse said:

Great write up , like the stand , going to print this thread for the reference notebook.:bow-blue:

     Thanks, I'm flattered. :)   Engine mechanic I'm not. Grease monkey, I'm your man. B)

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JAinVA

Sparky,

     Great looking results.I just knew the folks here would like your solutions.Thanks for sharing.JAinVA

JimAnderson

Gloucester,Va

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WNYPCRepair
2 hours ago, Retired Sparky said:

This is all I own, this is all I'll ever own.  A one horse yard.

 

 

We'll see...... :)

 

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Retired Sparky
1 hour ago, Sparky said:

Good write up! Job well done.

Mike.....

 

 

   Thanks, Chief.  :text-thankyouyellow:

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Tankman

Great work! Sparky looking, tingles with excellence!

 

You might like a little upgrade, my favorite, all my Horses get it. Makes changing wheels much easier, for me anyway.

 

 

Lug_Nuts_Install.JPG

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Daddy Don

Great job and lots of information. Good looking horse. 

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cleat
8 hours ago, Tankman said:

Great work! Sparky looking, tingles with excellence!

 

You might like a little upgrade, my favorite, all my Horses get it. Makes changing wheels much easier, for me anyway.

 

 

Lug_Nuts_Install.JPG

 

My 520's have all been done this way. I have the bolts and nuts for the 416 so it will get done sometime.

 

10 hours ago, WNYPCRepair said:

 

 

We'll see...... :)

 

 

I started with one, now have five.

 

The fever sets in and cannot be cured it seems.

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ztnoo

A very interesting variation on the hub pulling theme.  2tu.gif

I personally know what a PITA hub pulling can be, so even though I have my own experience to draw on, I've always got my ear to the ground about other methods being employed for this sometimes horrific job.

What you did worked, and it worked safely, so that's the important thing.

 

What was the jack capacity........3 tons?

I'm curious to know why you didn't reverse the outer "puller" hub to shorten everything into a more compact unit? Looks to me like you probably could have shortened the assembly by 2 1/2 to 3".

I imagine it was a little tricky getting everything in position and hooked up before you started the actual "pulling" process.

Ever feel some sort of support stand under the outer hub might have made the hook up any easier? Like a cut off piece of 4 x4, or something like that?

You took advantage of pulling from as many points (5 lug holes) as you could which helps spread load evenly on the hub being pulled.

 

This looks to be a much more sensible and safer application than a solution I posted in my GT 14 hub pulling thread that someone did that was posted at a WH Facebook site.

I took special note of this because it was another GT 14 hub (just like mine) being pulled. This guy only was using 50% of his potential pulling power by using only two lug holes/threaded rods. Much more stress and load were being concentrated on the hub in only 2 locations. GT 14 hubs are pretty beefy castings, but they could break too, especially if highly stressed and loaded in minimal areas.

This user got his hub off safely, but this was a high risk set up IMO.

Retired Sparky, your solution was much better and safer than the one below. Same basic principal was being used, but you maximized your pulling power and evenly distributed load on the hub.  2tu.gif

 

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Retired Sparky
13 hours ago, WNYPCRepair said:

 

 

We'll see...... :)

 

         My birthday is coming up ..................:occasion-cake:

1 hour ago, ztnoo said:

A very interesting variation on the hub pulling theme.  2tu.gif

I personally know what a PITA hub pulling can be, so even though I have my own experience to draw on, I've always got my ear to the ground about other methods being employed for this sometimes horrific job.

What you did worked, and it worked safely, so that's the important thing.

 

What was the jack capacity........3 tons?

I'm curious to know why you didn't reverse the outer "puller" hub to shorten everything into a more compact unit? Looks to me like you probably could have shortened the assembly by 2 1/2 to 3".

I imagine it was a little tricky getting everything in position and hooked up before you started the actual "pulling" process.

Ever feel some sort of support stand under the outer hub might have made the hook up any easier? Like a cut off piece of 4 x4, or something like that?

You took advantage of pulling from as many points (5 lug holes) as you could which helps spread load evenly on the hub being pulled.

 

This looks to be a much more sensible and safer application than a solution I posted in my GT 14 hub pulling thread that someone did that was posted at a WH Facebook site.

I took special note of this because it was another GT 14 hub (just like mine) being pulled. This guy only was using 50% of his potential pulling power by using only two lug holes/threaded rods. Much more stress and load were being concentrated on the hub in only 2 locations. GT 14 hubs are pretty beefy castings, but they could break too, especially if highly stressed and loaded in minimal areas.

This user got his hub off safely, but this was a high risk set up IMO.

Retired Sparky, your solution was much better and safer than the one below. Same basic principal was being used, but you maximized your pulling power and evenly distributed load on the hub.  2tu.gif

 

12729087_1152027604822444_45428283070474

   I started in that direction, in fact I had two pieces of angle bolted together, but with a hub to play with I made the circle of rods.

 The jack was 2 ton, so the hugs weren't that rusted. Two points for me.

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Retired Sparky
11 hours ago, Tankman said:

Great work! Sparky looking, tingles with excellence!

 

You might like a little upgrade, my favorite, all my Horses get it. Makes changing wheels much easier, for me anyway.

 

 

Lug_Nuts_Install.JPG

 

     I was thinking that way, but may wait till I change out to 23x8.50-12 tires. It's tough finding used rims in the North Woods.

 

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Tankman

The 7/16-20 bolts were on the rack at Lowes, acorn lug nuts at any auto parts store.

 

I seldom change tires but, if I do, lug nuts.

 

The stand you built, nice! Actually the jack stands get in the way, careful with the floor jack!

I'm thinking, "Turn your stand 180 degrees, easier to position a bottle jack?"

 

FYI.  Duplicolor Heavy Duty Silver Wheel Paint works great, holds up very well. Was manufactured for painting rims.

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ztnoo
2 hours ago, ztnoo said:

What was the jack capacity........3 tons?

I'm curious to know why you didn't reverse the outer "puller" hub to shorten everything into a more compact unit? Looks to me like you probably could have shortened the assembly by 2 1/2 to 3".

I imagine it was a little tricky getting everything in position and hooked up before you started the actual "pulling" process.

Ever feel some sort of support stand under the outer hub might have made the hook up any easier? Like a cut off piece of 4 x4, or something like that?

 

I'm still curious about this.

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Tankman
1 hour ago, ztnoo said:

 

I'm still curious about this.

Using the all-thread could've been any length desired. Perhaps, all set to go, holding the jack one handed, "Quick hand me that wood block."

 

Job done..........next time shorter...........hub's in one piece! Success!  :ROTF:

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TDF5G
1 hour ago, ztnoo said:

 

I'm still curious about this.

1 1/2 TON was mentioned in a previous post.

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ztnoo

Reviewing the pics again, I see you did start with the outside of the "puller" hub facing inward, but I'm confused as to why you needed the block of wood under the jack.

As long as you could get the jack in place between the axle end and the puller hub, what purpose did the wood serve?

Seems like the nuts on the all threads could have been snugged up until they came in contact with the jack base, and then you lever away.....until the hub being pulled reached the end on the axle.

Then something of a proper diameter would have to be inserted between the end of the axle and the top of the jack to allow the hub to continue moving outward until it finally came off.

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cleat

I don't know why so many people are giving retired sparky such a hard time.

 

His idea worked and he shared it with us.

 

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ztnoo
5 minutes ago, TDF5G said:

1 1/2 TON was mentioned in a previous post.

 

10-4, you're right, I just missed it.

Still curious about the wood block. 

 

3 minutes ago, cleat said:

I don't know why so many people are giving retired sparky such a hard time.

 

I'm not purposely and intentionally giving him a "hard time", I'd just like to know the details of why certain things were done, that's all.

I agree the important thing is he got them off, and did so safely.

I make no pretense of knowing much of anything, but I'm always open to understanding other methods and approaches to solve these mechanical problems.

Questions are a great way to learn from the wisdom and experiences of others.

Hubs are among the worst things to deal with IMO. They can give you are real education.

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Retired Sparky

I have no problem satisying any ones curiosities:  I had to use a couple of blocks of wood because the base of the jack was almost the same diameter as the rods on the pulling hub. I had to pull the inner nuts back on the hub because no room for the jack to seat evenly.   It was a matter of space. The jack needed to be squared up to pull right so I throw in two small block to seat on the hub.   The long rods are due to my own convenience. The rods were 3' long so I cut them in half.  I have never done this job before so it was easier to have them too long then too short and go back the store and buy more rods   If I were to do this again, I think I would rent a porta power or use a bigger pulling plate.  In my back yard, it doesn't have to be neat or short, it just has to work  B)

              

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ztnoo

Retired Sparky,

Hey thanks for the explanation, that all makes sense to me now.

So it was basically a clearance issue with the nuts not allowing the base of the jack to set flat and squarely on your puller hub.

Regards,

Steve

 

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