K241 ignition help

[BenTheWheelHorseMan 43]

I have a spare Kohler k241 that I am trying to get in running order. I bought it and it was missing some tins and all of the ignition components. Does anybody have a wiring  diagram for a K 241 with a starter generator? And there is a hole behind where the points go. Is there a wire supposed to go there? Any expertise is appreciated. Thanks

[pfrederi 18,685]

If teh hole isn't threaded it is for the plunger that actuates the points.  What kind of ignition system do you have, Magneto/points...battery with points or breakerless????

[stevasaurus 23,281]

Here is a link for the Kohler Manual.  This is excellent and I think you want Section 8.

 

http://www.kohlerengines.com/manuals/landing.htm

 

on the right hand side...type in K in the 1st box...click on 1 to 10 in the 2nd box...horizontal in the 3rd.  scroll down to K 241 and click on "service" then click on English to down load.  All the wiring diagrams are in Section 8. 

   Are you sure it has a starter/generator?  Is this off of a Wheel Horse?? 

[BenTheWheelHorseMan 43]

12 minutes ago, stevasaurus said:

Here is a link for the Kohler Manual.  This is excellent and I think you want Section 8.

 

http://www.kohlerengines.com/manuals/landing.htm

 

on the right hand side...type in K in the 1st box...click on 1 to 10 in the 2nd box...horizontal in the 3rd.  scroll down to K 241 and click on "service" then click on English to down load.  All the wiring diagrams are in Section 8. 

   Are you sure it has a starter/generator?  Is this off of a Wheel Horse?? 

This is from a cub cadet but I plan to either put it on a wheel horse or  swap the engine on a cub that I have. 

 

18 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

If teh hole isn't threaded it is for the plunger that actuates the points.  What kind of ignition system do you have, Magneto/points...battery with points or breakerless????

I have a battery points ignition. It looks like the plunger is mia. Does anybody know where I could get one and hot to install it?

[stevasaurus 23,281]

Interesting...let me throw this at you.  On Cubs, the starter/generator faces the right side of the tractor.  This makes it a (I hope I am correct here) Counter-Clockwise rotation.  On Wheel Horses, on the 7 and 8 hsp Kohler engines, the starter/generator faces the left side and is a Clock-Wise rotation.  On the 10, 12 and 14 hsp Kohler engines for Wheel Horse...they have what is called a high mount starter...no starter/generator and it engages the fly wheel on the left side.

   I would be interested to know if that block has the holes for a high mount starter that would engage the flywheel.  Also, if you could mount a starter/generator on the right side of a Wheel Horse tractor and what it would take.  There may be a couple of sets of tins available, depending on how you try to do this. 

 

 

[pfrederi 18,685]

It just slides in the point keep it from coming out.  International Harvester used 13 different spec #s of K241s ...I looked at several and they all use points plunger # 4741104s

[BenTheWheelHorseMan 43]

2 minutes ago, stevasaurus said:

Interesting...let me throw this at you.  On Cubs, the starter/generator faces the right side of the tractor.  This makes it a (I hope I am correct here) Counter-Clockwise rotation.  On Wheel Horses, on the 7 and 8 hsp Kohler engines, the starter/generator faces the left side and is a Clock-Wise rotation.  On the 10, 12 and 14 hsp Kohler engines for Wheel Horse...they have what is called a high mount starter...no starter/generator and it engages the fly wheel on the left side.

   I would be interested to know if that block has the holes for a high mount starter that would engage the flywheel.  Also, if you could mount a starter/generator on the right side of a Wheel Horse tractor and what it would take.  There may be a couple of sets of tins available, depending on how you try to do this. 

 

 

I will be sure to update if I do decide to put it in a horse. To the best of my knowledge it does not have holes in the block to mount the starter. 

 

6 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

It just slides in the point keep it from coming out.  International Harvester used 13 different spec #s of K241s ...I looked at several and they all use points plunger # 4741104s

Thanks for the great information. I was worried that that part may be hard to come by. Glad that it should be easy to get.

[pfrederi 18,685]

Without tins you probably do not know spec #.  Maybe some Cub board could help you out if you knew the Cub model #

 

Spec number I found

all start with 46   46179, 269,270,280,310 329,407,611,632,657,717,734 and 46754

[rmaynard 16,299]

Older K241's and K301's had starter/generators on them as well. 1045, 1257 for example.

[stevasaurus 23,281]

Ben, you might be surprised to find that they used the same holes for all of the mountings and made the mountings to fit. 

 

That is a lot of spec #'s Pual...just shows how much that 10 hsp Kohler became popular. 

 

Maynard, you are correct, but they are the opposite field coils of what is on a Cub.

 

[pfrederi 18,685]

3 minutes ago, stevasaurus said:

Ben, you might be surprised to find that they used the same holes for all of the mountings and made the mountings to fit. 

 

That is a lot of spec #'s Pual...just shows how much that 10 hsp Kohler became. 

 

That was just International Harvester.  Wheel Horse used 15 spec #s....

[BenTheWheelHorseMan 43]

2 hours ago, stevasaurus said:

Ben, you might be surprised to find that they used the same holes for all of the mountings and made the mountings to fit. 

 

That is a lot of spec #'s Pual...just shows how much that 10 hsp Kohler became popular. 

 

Maynard, you are correct, but they are the opposite field coils of what is on a Cub.

 

I must say I did not know that all blocks had the same holes. The 10hp Kohler was a staple of the gt industry for many years. Will be ordering the plunger off of eBay soon along with a few other miscellaneous parts and pieces. I hope to get it running within the week.