Starter Drag. HELP!!!

[BenTheWheelHorseMan 43]

To preface, I am not sure wether this thread belongs here or in electrical, so I will move it if need be. I am considering buying a raider 10 6 speed hi/lo transmission. It has the Tecumseh hh100. I am told that it has a starter drag. I do not know what that means and what I would need to do to fix it. Would it be real costly? Any and all feedback is appreciated. 

[pfrederi 18,707]

Not familiar with that description.  I wold guess they are trying to describe a pinion problem.  Either it doesn't move out to engage the ring gear or it does retract from the ring gear when the engine starts. Either way a good cleaning may work or it may be a broken spring (failure to disengage).

[BenTheWheelHorseMan 43]

7 hours ago, pfrederi said:

Not familiar with that description.  I wold guess they are trying to describe a pinion problem.  Either it doesn't move out to engage the ring gear or it does retract from the ring gear when the engine starts. Either way a good cleaning may work or it may be a broken spring (failure to disengage).

I am not either. He said that he figured on it being a replace/rebuild job. He also said something about the armature, but I just don't know.

[stevasaurus 23,292]

I'm with Paul, but it could mean that when the starter engages the flywheel, it does not have enough strength to turn it over fast.  Anything from a bad ground to battery to bad brushes and what Paul said above.  Yes it is fixable...the labor is free (if it is yours)...batteries run about $45 to $60...starters (brushes, cleaning) not bad and you can do it.  A new starter will probably start around $100...don't quote me on that, I am not sure about the price of Techumseh starters.  That $100 is more for a starter/generator for an 8hsp Kohler. 

[953 nut 60,246]

  As Steve and Paul have said, without a hands on diagnosis it is hard to see what the seller means by "starter drag". I think that if you take the worst case scenario of having to replace the starter and reduce your offer by that amount you will be able to come out OK. Once you have it in your garage let us know what you find. The first step in all electrical troubleshooting is to clean and tighten all connecting grounds. I once bought a  that wasn't starting well, turned out the bolts on the starter bad backed out a little and weren't getting a good ground. I bargened him down $100, took a few minutes to fix it.

[woodchuckfarmer 333]

D B Electrical  has good prices on starters and voltage regulators. Check them out. There in Tennessee .

[Howie 899]

To me this would mean that the starter will turn over fast enough to start the engine properly.Could be something with the armature, brushes

not allowing the thing to achieve proper speed. I bought one of those from DB electrical several years ago, works good and not that expensive.

Old one had some kind of hack job repair inside and I didn't want to mess with it or didn't trust the outcome. I believe the commutator area was

worn pretty bad also. It wouldn't turn the engine very well. I think it was under $70,not sure.

David

[Howie 899]

I just looked on the DB Electrical site starter is $48.40 free standard shipping.

[BenTheWheelHorseMan 43]

1 hour ago, 953 nut said:

  As Steve and Paul have said, without a hands on diagnosis it is hard to see what the seller means by "starter drag". I think that if you take the worst case scenario of having to replace the starter and reduce your offer by that amount you will be able to come out OK. Once you have it in your garage let us know what you find. The first step in all electrical troubleshooting is to clean and tighten all connecting grounds. I once bought a  that wasn't starting well, turned out the bolts on the starter bad backed out a little and weren't getting a good ground. I bargened him down $100, took a few minutes to fix it.

I certainly will update if and or when I do get my hands on that horse.

 

20 minutes ago, Howie said:

To me this would mean that the starter will turn over fast enough to start the engine properly.Could be something with the armature, brushes

not allowing the thing to achieve proper speed. I bought one of those from DB electrical several years ago, works good and not that expensive.

Old one had some kind of hack job repair inside and I didn't want to mess with it or didn't trust the outcome. I believe the commutator area was

worn pretty bad also. It wouldn't turn the engine very well. I think it was under $70,not sure.

David

I certainly will check them out. Thanks for your input.

[BenTheWheelHorseMan 43]

8 minutes ago, Howie said:

I just looked on the DB Electrical site starter is $48.40 free standard shipping.

Yeah I was just there. Heck of a deal for a brand new starter.

[tbarnhart 240]

I work in the ag repair business, and in our work, a dragging starter is one with worn bushings where the rotating armature is contacting the outer windings. A good starter repair shop could often fix it, or it could just be replaced. As stated, those Tecumseh starters are not that expensive. The bigger problem with those engines is the Solid State ignition units. They are known to die and are expensive to replace. Make sure it has spark before buying it. My HH160 lost spark and I was able to fix the module, but most of the time you're looking for a replacement.