were 1054 axles longer then standard?

[rustyoldjunk 127]

i havent had a chance to hardly look this tractor over hardly but i didnt notice that with the hubs basicly against the transaxle housing the axle shafts look to be recessed close to an inch in the hubs.is this normal?

[BPjunk 184]

Yes the axle shafts are longer and larger in diameter (1-1/8 inch).

Wild Bill in Richmond, Va.

[Teddy da Bear 11]

Here is a picture of my 1054A with the inner wheel weights.

You can see my axles stick out about 3/4" to 1" from the

outer surface of the hub.

[rustyoldjunk 127]

as you can see even with the hubs slid all the way in the axle is recessed about an inch in the hubs.do i need to find axle shafts or a complete transaxle for this tractor?

[Teddy da Bear 11]

Those hubs look difference on the outside. Yours

appear slightly "domed" shaped on the face.

It is my conclusion that we might have different hubs.

I could measure the length of my axles from housing

to tip if that helps...

Perhaps my P.O. got shorter hubs in order to better

mount the inner wheel weights. Or modified them.

I know if you have a 1964 1054 yours would have

Ag tires on the rear. My 1965 1054A has turf tires.

[rustyoldjunk 127]

thanks for the input Teddy.i would be gratefull if you would measure them and let me know.i dont know anything about these tractors,im just learning.i dont know for sure if its a 1054,1054A or 953.i was told its a 1054 but the original decal is to faded to read.

[Teddy da Bear 11]

Ok....measures 6" out from the tranny housing to the tip of the axle.

That is one side. I cannot get to the other side....but assume it is the same.

There is a 1" space between the tranny housing and where the hub shaft

begins. The hub is not up against the tranny.

[rustyoldjunk 127]

thanks Teddy.are your hubs the same as mine? i cant see the complete hub on in your pic but you can in mine.

[ol550 830]

Let me make a wild guess? The transaxle may have been changed due to some of the differential problems that seemed to befall the 953 and 1054? :hide:

[Teddy da Bear 11]

Good guess! But I don't think it is possible....

The tranny for the 953, 1054 and 1054A are unique

to these tractors. I doubt any others will fit.

And as a side note. I learned that the only difference

(that a bunch of us discussed one time) between the three

....is the model number of the tranny...... Otherwise they

are the same.

Now I did have a chance to see a 1054 and 953 side by side

at the Castleman auction. I noticed the starter/generator light

was in a slightly different location. But I do not know why.

[rustyoldjunk 127]

thats what i was thinking Teddy but the axle shafts do seem short,i wonder if someone could have swapped out the axle shafts? i will have to give it a better look sometime this week when i have time.

[Teddy da Bear 11]

Here is a closeup of the hub face.

You can see it is a very flat surface on the face.

[ol550 830]

Good guess! But I don't think it is possible....

The tranny for the 953, 1054 and 1054A are unique

to these tractors. I doubt any others will fit.

OK here we go. Yes the 953 and 1054 are unique transaxles. The 1054A? Was the A for automatic? Back to the doubt any others will fit. I have 2 953's one has what I believe to be the correct transaxle the other has 1 inch axles and 3 bolt hubs. and 2 very much modified wheels. So much so that the tires are completely under the fenders. In crawling around under them it looks like it is only attached by the four 3/8 bolts at the front of the tranny. The narrow one even has the two bolt holes for a seat spring. On the correct one there are no holes. In a quick look at a parts breakdown it even looks like they share some of the same gears as other models.

I would venture to guess (again ) that ROJ's tranny will have the two holes on top. The weakness of the 953 and 1054 tranny in my opinion was in part due to the larger input pulley that slowed every thing internally down to adjust for the larger daimeter tires. Thus putting more strain on the internals.

In the next century when I start in the 953 resto I plan to use a tranny out of a 1057 that is ready for the challenge. Going to use original wheels and hubs and make a spacer to get the correct width. Won't show to much under the full moon wheel covers. Mike

[linen beige 15]

OK here we go. Yes the 953 and 1054 are unique transaxles. The 1054A? Was the A for automatic?

[Teddy da Bear 11]

I did not say transaxles.......I said trannys....meaning the whole enchalada....lol

I was not sure if we were talking about just the axle or the whole tranny.

[rustyoldjunk 127]

i havent had time to really look it over yet but i am confused at this point.glancing under it it looks like the original housing,at least it is bolted to the frame in the original holes and it has what appears to be the original hubs and big axle shafts,BUT the shafts do appear to be too short.looking at the pics i posted in this thread you can see that the hubs are up close to the axle housing but the shafts are still recessed in the hubs about an inch.

[Teddy da Bear 11]

I guess some mysteries are best left unsolved (quote from my mother).

As long as it does not have an instability problem.... Or you were not

really picky about the restoration... You might just consider leaving

that axle question for a later time.

[rustyoldjunk 127]

i will look into it more as i go,i dont like the way it is now so if nothing else i may have to look for axles or a complete rearend.

[linen beige 15]

Here's another post you might find interesting.

http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/index.php?...t=0entry52191

It speaks of the longer axles in the 953/1054/1054A. Maybe yours has had the differential changed and they used the shorter axles from the donor?

I measured mine today. It is six inches from the end of the axle housing to the face of the hub flange (Back side of wheel.) My axles also stick out about a half inch or so past the face of the hub. There is about 2 1/4 inches of bare axle between the axle housing and the inside edge of the hubs. Looks like my axles may be just a little longer than TDB's?

[rustyoldjunk 127]

thanks Jim,that was a good read.very informative.since i have some 8 speeds laying around it answered some questions there too.i would love to keep this original but i'll just have to see how things go.the transaxle in the 1054 has a foil tag on it with the model number,is there somewhere i can plug the number in and get info on this transaxle?

[Teddy da Bear 11]

I would imagine the toro site.

Plug in your tractor model and serial number.

Then look for the tranny on the parts breakdown.

[bell 11]

Just a little note...

I ended up with this tractor. I was looking it over the other day (for about the 1000th time) and found two holes in the top of the transmission... They were VERY well disguised. One has a bolt broken/ cut off in it and the other was packed full of hard grease/ gunk... MYSTERY SOLVED!!! Apparently the complete transmission was changed out for a non 953/1054 transmission...

It really doesn't matter, because it will be getting a 8-speed very soon... But, I thought y'all might like to know. JB

[linen beige 15]

Thanks JB.

[Lane Ranger 11,523]

The 953/1054 did have the longer axles in the original transmissions but I have also noticed something on some 1054 tractors. When the differential or third gear goes and the transaxles are rebuilt some folks use a different case to bolt up to transmission.

I think they are using the needle bearings and just decide to bolt up a different case with the old axle placed in the new "side" of the transaxle case. With the six or seven tranaxles my father has or has had for his 1054's I know I have seen at lease two cases that did not properly match up -even though they would fit tightly together. They were from different version tranaxles.

I think the old posting by Charlie on the use of an eight speed transmission from a C model wheel horse with the old 1054 longer axles may be the best repalcement for a 1054 restoration job. I know several folks on here have discussed doing it.