jimkemp 527 #1 Posted September 27, 2015 Started working on my raider 12 today , and found that the right rear hub is welded to the axle , and the axle seals are leaking very bad , anyone have any ideas on what I should do here , I haven't started looking for an axle or a hub yet , how hard are these to find , or do I try to find a whole rear end to replace it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 60,008 #2 Posted September 27, 2015 The hub being welded to the shaft probably indicates the previous owner had a key way/set screw problem and didn't care to fix it properly. Perhaps a member from the Rochester or Buffalo area could take a look at it with you. Chances are the axle bearings are not good causing the seal leak. Jack up the rear end and see if you have any up and down play at the point where the axle exits the trans, if so you need to pull it apart and replace the bearings as well as seals. As for the welded hub, you may be able to carefully grind away the weld and remove the hub, If so you can file the area smooth to replace the seal if that is all that is needed. There was a great thread posted on here a few weeks back on repairing a bad key way if that needs to be done.Take a couple of good close ups of the hub and welds and post them so we can see how badly butchered it really is. The biggest fear in buying a used trans axle is that it may not be any better than the one you have, used shafts and hubs should be easy enough to come be from parts vendors on here. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 43,820 #3 Posted September 27, 2015 Yes Lets see some pics and check the play. I have a spare 8 spd trans and I believe hubs as well 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 41,978 #4 Posted September 27, 2015 Take Richard and Mikes advice. If you do a search of axles, keyways, or hubs, you should find the posts Richard is referring to. Keep us informed, and 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimkemp 527 #5 Posted September 27, 2015 Here is the best I can do for pictures right now , 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 43,820 #6 Posted September 27, 2015 I think by the time your done trying to reuse that you could replace the trans 3 times. Why do people do this. I'm pretty sure I have the hubs and a good 5060 limited slip trans. I'm going out now to confirm. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimkemp 527 #7 Posted September 27, 2015 Well if you have one I want it , pm sent to you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 60,008 #8 Posted September 27, 2015 That sounds like a winner, Mike is not too far from you and the 5060 is a great transaxle, I have one on a 953 and the limited slip is a real plus. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 23,279 #9 Posted September 27, 2015 Don't throw out that old trans...it is worth opening up to take a look. Being the welded hub is on the right side, you can separate that case without pulling that hub. Take the case apart as by the book. Get all the gears out except for the differential. Turn the differential by hand and one by one take the nuts off the bolts holding it together. Now you can take the differential apart, pop the "C" clip holding that welded axle and pull it out. "BOOM-SHA-KA-LAK-A" Put in new axle and hub and seals and if needed a few bearings. What year is the Raider 12...or the Model Number?? All the Raider 12's came with 10 pinion, limited slip differentials. The brake drum is in 2 different locations between the 68' 69' and 70' and the 71' and 72. The first 3 have either the #5060 or #5071 transmission...the brake drum is in the hole closest to the axle housing. The later 71' 72' have the #5073 tranny and the brake drum is in the next hole closer to the front of the transmission. You will have to fabricate some brake linkage if your trans is different from Mike's. Just sayin. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimkemp 527 #10 Posted September 27, 2015 The tractor model # is 1 6231 , and the serial # is 481328 , its a raider 12 , I haven't even looked to see what year it is yet but I am sure someone will tell me , as far as making brake rods and parts like that is no big deal in my shop , I have a full fab shop with all the tools to build anything , keep your eye on future post and you will see what I am going to do to this raider , its going to be a fun tractor to take to the shows around here , hopefully I don't make anyone mad at me for not returning it to stock form 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 43,820 #11 Posted September 28, 2015 I plan on seeing it at the Steam Pageant next year! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 23,279 #12 Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) The 1-6231 is a 1968 Raider 12 with the #5060 transmission. If you look, the brake drum is in the hole closest to the axle housing. Fabricating is not a real problem...just know that there is a difference and Mike's could be the same or the other one. Just kind of a "heads up". Mike is excellent people and you will not go wrong by him. Just do not throw out that trans...it is fixable and someone will need one. Maybe Mike can grab it if you work out a deal.Take a look at your 1st picture...it looks like there is a hose clamp on the axle between the axle housing and the hub. Edited September 28, 2015 by stevasaurus 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimkemp 527 #13 Posted September 28, 2015 I plan on seeing it at the Steam Pageant next year! You bet its going to be there with another one that I have plans for The 1-6231 is a 1968 Raider 12 with the #5060 transmission. If you look, the brake drum is in the hole closest to the axle housing. Fabricating is not a real problem...just know that there is a difference and Mike's could be the same or the other one. Just kind of a "heads up". Mike is excellent people and you will not go wrong by him. Just do not throw out that trans...it is fixable and someone will need one. Maybe Mike can grab it if you work out a deal.Take a look at your 1st picture...it looks like there is a hose clamp on the axle between the axle housing and the hub. Ya It looks like someone tried to stop the leak by putting a rubber hose around it and then the hose clamp to hold it , not really sure what they were thinking but I know that aint going to work at all , but I only paid $50 for the tractor and it had new tires on the back I couldn't pass it up , I will buy them all day long for $100 or under just for parts And Thanks for looking up the year for me 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
