Racinbob 11,938 #76 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) I can't tell you the number of times I've jumped out of my chair to run out and look at something because of something I read here.The 61's had the cross and the 60's were just a single ridge. Edited August 29, 2015 by Racinbob switched the 60 and 61 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRanger 1,469 #77 Posted August 18, 2015 I can't tell you the number of times I've jumped out of my chair to run out and look at something because of something I read here. The 60 had the cross and the 61's were just a single ridge. I think that's backwards. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,938 #78 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) That's possible. I'm just going by what the guy who has the repos said because he had both. Do a search and it's pretty much a 50/50 thing. There's really no way to be absolutely certain unless you were there when the tractor was uncrated. Oh wait....that was 55 years ago.....but I don't remember Edited August 19, 2015 by Racinbob 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMC RULES 37,196 #79 Posted August 18, 2015 This is a '61 belt guard pictured here...difference was the 1960 version only had the vertical line rolled into it...didn't include horizontal...was the same overall shape though. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cdsl810 181 #80 Posted August 19, 2015 I found a reproduction 1960 cover with just one stiffener line, not the cross. Thanks for the descriptions and picture.I sold my C-125 to a neighbor today to help fund the restoration of the Suburban. I sold it for 2.5 times the amount that I paid for it. That should get me close to everything I need to get the Suburban operational. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cdsl810 181 #81 Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) Here's what the critical part for the idler pulley looks like.It connects the pedal linkage and the brake band. The 400 didn't use an adjustable rod to connect the pedal but it's a good idea to use one. You will constantly see 400 tractors with the pedal so far back towards the trans, it's a pain to engage it.This one is going to be rusted on the shaft tight and the roll pin is going to be stuck. I find it easier to just cut the shaft to get off and weld it back together I have located THIS part shown along with the rod. I have also located a rod that is just long enough to fit through the frame and has one arm with a hole at the end...it just so happens to slip right over the part you picture here. I like the idea of felt on the straps and even the top of the tank to prevent abrasion. If you are going to use that tank and the outlet is below the carb inlet I would just use maybe a 1/8" street ell on the outlet with filter & fuel cock if desired.The belt guard should have more of a pork chop shape..... will try and post a pic...... RJ guards are close but no cigar....idler/clutch setup should look somethin like this... Less all the gunk of course!! The bolt you see with the spacer between the idler and input sheave is wht holds the guard on. Ther should also be one on the engine. So from this, I can see that the angled arm attaches to the brake band and clutch rod, and the straight arm to the idler pulley. Looks like I just need to find a pulley and its mounting hardware for the end of the arm. Edited August 20, 2015 by cdsl810 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,782 #82 Posted August 20, 2015 You might be able to find a generic one at a TSC or just about any mower place or online. It won't be original but nobobody will notice it under the belt guard I don't know the diameter but Racinbob can jump out of his chair and measure it! I think the bearing has a 5/16" bore. The one you see pictured there is going to get replaced as the bearing is shot. I plan on grinding those rivets out and looking for a bearing then either rivet or bolt it back together. I have done this to lots of deck pulleys that are NLA. Some of these Toro belt tensioners are outrageous in price and this is more resonable.@Racinbob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cdsl810 181 #83 Posted August 20, 2015 Time to play "what's on the table." I still haven't ID'd all of this. Here's what I think so far.Starting top left... one of these rods is the clutch rod, don't know about the other. The foot rests are obvious. Next to the rods is the (backwards) clutch pedal. The shaft/double pulley is for the mower deck PTO. The small "J" rod connects to the brake band. Below that I think is the parking brake lever. Bottom right are the two sides of the idler pulley/clutch/brake band rig. The other stuff I'm not sure of yet. These parts may belong to attachments. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,938 #84 Posted August 20, 2015 I head to the garage with tape measure in hand..........3". I can't get to the stud right now but I believe it's larger than 5/16". There's additional parts as you can see on the diagram. The hole in the idler arm will determine that. The pulley stands off the arm about 1/2" but, of course, the important thing is that it lines up with the input pulley. Give me the word and I'd be happy to get some detailed pictures in the morning. The straight rod is the clutch rod. It should be 20 1/2" center to center on the trunions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,782 #85 Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) Definitly belong to other stuff ... I see some attacha matic parts ther? Correct me if I am wrong guys but I don't think 400's had a parking brake? Looks like you have all the makings for the clutch/brake setup 'cept for the tension pully. Maybe some of the other guys have better pics than my crusty stuff! Stud might be 3/8" Bob....I'm at work & can't run out to the garage! Looks like your missing some collars for the clutch pedal as well. Edited August 20, 2015 by WHX4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 18,143 #86 Posted August 20, 2015 The other stuff is not for your 400 tractor 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,938 #87 Posted August 20, 2015 Cool was to show it John. You're right on the no parking brake Jim. You've got some pieces there for a little later tractor deck. The two flat plates and the bracket to the right of the pedal are an early tach-a-matic and the gizmo right and center as well as the pieces just below it are for a late60's mower deck. The little piece just below the brake band rod is the catch for the foot PTO, again, a bit later in the 60's. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cdsl810 181 #88 Posted August 20, 2015 OK. That would explain why I couldn't figure out how they went on the 400. The parking brake catch is something I just saw on a 657 or 1057, can't remember which. Wasn't sure if it went with the 400, but knew what it was supposed to be. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,782 #89 Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Someday I am gonna learn how to do that Wallfish ......nice job! Edited August 21, 2015 by WHX4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 23,281 #90 Posted August 21, 2015 Copy a picture into Paintbrush and play with it a little...save it and then copy and paste. I know it is not that easy, but pretty close. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 18,143 #91 Posted August 21, 2015 Copy a picture into Paintbrush and play with it a little...save it and then copy and paste. I know it is not that easy, but pretty close. That's exactly how to do it and is fairly easy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857 horse 2,588 #92 Posted August 22, 2015 wow,,,,,,,,,,,,,i couldnt trip over that fine machine......if it was the only other think in the room...congrats 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cdsl810 181 #93 Posted August 22, 2015 Well. I have acquired another 1960 Suburban 400 hood so that I can make one good complete hood that is historically accurate. It has the gas tank straps welded in nicely already. So, just some metal work and paint and that should be checked off the list. Also, I have a reproduction 1960 belt cover on its way--should be here Monday or Tuesday. It is made of the same gauge steel, so just some paint and nobody will be able to tell that it's not original. I found a bag of hardware containing the stop collars for each location, and a couple pins.That just leaves that idler pulley and its hardware to mount it on the clutch assembly. 3" diameter, 3/8" stud, 1/2" belt channel... is this what I am looking for? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,938 #94 Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) It's a 1/2" stud. It's possible that mine was modified prior to me getting it but this is what I have. You could go with something different as long as it is secure on the arm.Also, I stand corrected and will blame it on old age. I mentioned the cross was on the 60's and I got that because the supplier had both and said the cross was the 60. Well, I should have jumped out of my chair again and looked rather than relying on my memory Edited August 22, 2015 by Racinbob 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cdsl810 181 #95 Posted August 25, 2015 Just got this today. One step closer.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,782 #96 Posted August 25, 2015 Looked at my belt guard and it doesn't have ANY stiffeners but mine is a very eary "60's. Those repro belt guards are nice! On the idler mount it is a shoulder bolt as Bob showsI see you have my penchant for stainless hardware Bob....and whats with the nifty WH on the end of the tranny input pulley?!?!...only to cover it up with a belt guard! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,938 #97 Posted August 25, 2015 Yea, I went kinda nutzo with the stainless hardware since it wasn't going to be factory correct. Ummmmm, that logo on the input shaft? Often times I piddle around with small projects and that was one of them. I gotta fess up here.............I didn't even think about it being covered by the guard at the time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,782 #98 Posted August 26, 2015 Take a hole saw to to the belt guard and it will Show! ....will match the engine side as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nelson Cline 0 #99 Posted December 18, 2021 On 8/18/2015 at 11:48 AM, AMC RULES said: This is a '61 belt guard pictured here... difference was the 1960 version only had the vertical line rolled into it...didn't include horizontal...was the same overall shape though. On 8/18/2015 at 11:48 AM, AMC RULES said: This is a '61 belt guard pictured here... difference was the 1960 version only had the vertical line rolled into it...didn't include horizontal...was the same overall shape though. You price it I'll pay it if close to reasonable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 60,083 #100 Posted December 18, 2021 11 hours ago, Nelson Cline said: You price it I'll pay it if close to reasonable @Nelson Cline This thread is over five years old. If you are in need of a belt guard for a Suburban you may want yo place an ad in our classified section, it is free. https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/classifieds/wanted/?do=form&d=2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
