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jde853

Hello I have a 314-8 I've been having trouble starting it all summer until finally it just makes a slow turning sound and gradually turns faster but won't start. The engine is not turning but just a progressive spinning. How can I be sure it's the starter and is it hard to change?

 

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gwest_ca

Welcome to the forum. If you can find the tractor model number and serial number they would help us help you. May be under the seat on the rear fender pan. The electrical system changed on this model between the first in 1985 and the last in 2001.

 

Garry

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jde853

Thanks Gerry

Model # 73402

Serial # 7901210

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varosd

Looks like your 314 is from 1997

Your Kohler motor is know as a Magnum engine (meaning it has a magneto instead of points)

others, who own this set up, will chime in.  there is a great topic search engine on this forum.  also great downloadable manuals etc for free!

Welcome aboard!! :text-welcomeconfetti:

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jde853

Thanks Don I will certainly follow your advice

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km3h

Go here and type in your model number. You will be able download all the service manuals for your tractor. There is one on there with over 500 pages in it. Make sure you download that one as it is the Demystification Guide and is the most important one when it comes to electrical problems.     http://www.toro.com/en-us/parts/Pages/PartsLookupResults.aspx?searchTerm=73402&BasicSearchFilter=equipment

 

First I would make sure the battery is fully charged. Then check the ground wire for a good clean connection.

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Geno

Hello and Welcome!   :WRS:

 

Is your first post correct that "The engine is not turning" like the starter is spinning and the engine not turning at all? 

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gwest_ca

Depending what the membership thinks your problem is here is an engine service manual

 

Here are the detailed wiring diagrams from the 523 page Demystification Guide for your model

http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/files/file/2211-tractor-1994-1997-314-8-wiring-detailed-492-4509pdf/

 

The tractor operator manual

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The tractor illustrated parts lists

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Do you have a test light or a voltmeter for testing purposes?

 

Garry

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boovuc

Welcome and one thing you can check that is free and simple is if there is junk, (grass, fishing line, string, rodent hair, other associated organic matter), that is impeding the starter's gear from engaging the motor. This happens quite often. Once you get the manuals and know the general location and operation of the starter, check for a bunch of crap around the starter shaft. Sounds to me like it needs cleaned and lubricated.

Let us know what you found!

 

:WRS:  :WRS:

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Wheel-N-It

Basically JD its like this. Your starter motor is most likely not recieving enough voltage/amperage to engage the starter bendix into the teeth of the flywheel. I don't know how mechanically minded you are but first thing you will need to determine that the battery has full power, and is properly grounded to the frame area of the tractor, and the terminals are clean and tight on the battery. If the tractor does not start, the next thing to do is go to the local auto parts store and buy yourself a remote starter switch. Connect one lead of the switch to the pos+ terminal of the battery, the other end to the little terminal on the starter relay. You will have to unplug a wire from this terminal to connect your lead. With the transmission in neutral, engage the remote starter switch. If the battery is good, and the battery cables are good, this should spin the starter motor at full speed. If not then you may want to enlist some help from a knowledgeable friend to further divide and conquor your problem. Note that I said spin the starter at full speed. I did not say spin the starter at full speed and engage the flywheel. Hopefully this will be the case and the engine will start and run. If the starter is turning full speed but not engaging the flywheel, then that is an indication the starter bendix is totally dry and is stuck on the starter motor shaft. You will then need to remove the starter and lubricate the bendix. JD I don't want to overload you with information. If you take it this far on your own, we can get you the rest of the way. I went ahead and and jumped in here this deep because I just had this issue with a 312 tractor (same engine), and this is what it took to find the problem and make the repair. Good luck.

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Molon_Labe

:WRS: there is plenty of talent here to help you resolve your problem. It sounds like a voltage drop to the starter but no telling until you take some voltage readings.

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jde853

Yes Gino it doesn't sound like the engine is trying to turn......strange

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jde853

Depending what the membership thinks your problem is here is an engine service manual

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Here are the detailed wiring diagrams from the 523 page Demystification Guide for your model

http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/files/file/2211-tractor-1994-1997-314-8-wiring-detailed-492-4509pdf/

 

The tractor operator manual

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The tractor illustrated parts lists

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Do you have a test light or a voltmeter for testing purposes?

 

Garry

I must be honest Garry, I do have a voltmeter but not sure how to use it

Basically JD its like this. Your starter motor is most likely not recieving enough voltage/amperage to engage the starter bendix into the teeth of the flywheel. I don't know how mechanically minded you are but first thing you will need to determine that the battery has full power, and is properly grounded to the frame area of the tractor, and the terminals are clean and tight on the battery. If the tractor does not start, the next thing to do is go to the local auto parts store and buy yourself a remote starter switch. Connect one lead of the switch to the pos+ terminal of the battery, the other end to the little terminal on the starter relay. You will have to unplug a wire from this terminal to connect your lead. With the transmission in neutral, engage the remote starter switch. If the battery is good, and the battery cables are good, this should spin the starter motor at full speed. If not then you may want to enlist some help from a knowledgeable friend to further divide and conquor your problem. Note that I said spin the starter at full speed. I did not say spin the starter at full speed and engage the flywheel. Hopefully this will be the case and the engine will start and run. If the starter is turning full speed but not engaging the flywheel, then that is an indication the starter bendix is totally dry and is stuck on the starter motor shaft. You will then need to remove the starter and lubricate the bendix. JD I don't want to overload you with information. If you take it this far on your own, we can get you the rest of the way. I went ahead and and jumped in here this deep because I just had this issue with a 312 tractor (same engine), and this is what it took to find the problem and make the repair. Good luck.

 

Basically JD its like this. Your starter motor is most likely not recieving enough voltage/amperage to engage the starter bendix into the teeth of the flywheel. I don't know how mechanically minded you are but first thing you will need to determine that the battery has full power, and is properly grounded to the frame area of the tractor, and the terminals are clean and tight on the battery. If the tractor does not start, the next thing to do is go to the local auto parts store and buy yourself a remote starter switch. Connect one lead of the switch to the pos+ terminal of the battery, the other end to the little terminal on the starter relay. You will have to unplug a wire from this terminal to connect your lead. With the transmission in neutral, engage the remote starter switch. If the battery is good, and the battery cables are good, this should spin the starter motor at full speed. If not then you may want to enlist some help from a knowledgeable friend to further divide and conquor your problem. Note that I said spin the starter at full speed. I did not say spin the starter at full speed and engage the flywheel. Hopefully this will be the case and the engine will start and run. If the starter is turning full speed but not engaging the flywheel, then that is an indication the starter bendix is totally dry and is stuck on the starter motor shaft. You will then need to remove the starter and lubricate the bendix. JD I don't want to overload you with information. If you take it this far on your own, we can get you the rest of the way. I went ahead and and jumped in here this deep because I just had this issue with a 312 tractor (same engine), and this is what it took to find the problem and make the repair. Good luck.

That's my next move thanks

Depending what the membership thinks your problem is here is an engine service manual

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Here are the detailed wiring diagrams from the 523 page Demystification Guide for your model

http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/files/file/2211-tractor-1994-1997-314-8-wiring-detailed-492-4509pdf/

 

The tractor operator manual

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The tractor illustrated parts lists

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Do you have a test light or a voltmeter for testing purposes?

 

Garry

This is great info

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Geno

Sounded to me like the bendix wasn't engaging.  You can do Wheel-N-It's suggestion with one side of a pair of jumper cables also. 

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