CasualObserver 3,411 #26 Posted October 14, 2008 Nope... the Ranger had a Tecumseh engine and the 753 had a Kohler. the mounting tabs were different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saguaro 0 #27 Posted October 14, 2008 Ok. I think I found some crossbreeding on my ranger. This thing has had so many cuts made on the sheet metal to make stuff fit. I think It's been used to herd rhinos. :banghead: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Mo-(Moderator) 4,611 #28 Posted October 14, 2008 Jason, I thought they was talking about that area. I wonder if the brochures shows pre-production models? :banghead: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,162 #29 Posted October 14, 2008 The flat plate was used with the old style axle on the 1961 and 1962 models. (and the 1963 603) When the axle design was changed in 1963 to the more gradual angle (with 2 separate tie rods and tighter turning radius too ), the front plate gained the offset. My 701: My 502: My 753: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustbucket 4 #30 Posted October 14, 2008 got ya's my 753 and 854 have the bumped out nose and my 653 has the flate plate as well as the 702 that is what was throwing me off thatnks for the clarification. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Bullington 5 #31 Posted October 14, 2008 i thought the 653 had the flat plate too, but someone above included it with the 753 style Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorekiwi 761 #32 Posted October 14, 2008 Just to confirm my 502 and 63 Lawn ranger have the flat front frame and early axle, the 753 frame I have is bumped out and has the later axle. Would be interesting to measure the width (thickness) of the two axles, seems like the later one might be wider, necessitating the mod to the frame? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,162 #33 Posted October 14, 2008 The 653 should have the same frame as the 633 and 753. Can you get a picture of the implement lift lever area of the hoodstand on your tractor Jason? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustbucket 4 #34 Posted October 14, 2008 hmmm should be in one of my older posts and its a pain to dig out cause i got her parked in the back of the garage behind all the rest. i will double check tomarrow what she is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustbucket 4 #35 Posted October 15, 2008 TT i think i know why my 653 has the flat plate front i looked and my model number starts 62 and if i remember from one of my posts when i was new and after the show it was recalled as being first run at the end of 62 start of 63 so it might be a pre new axle model. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Bullington 5 #36 Posted October 15, 2008 I was wrong ,,,,I found an ole picture of my ole 653....older I get the more i get confused :imstupid: Attached Image Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustbucket 4 #37 Posted October 15, 2008 hmmyour 653 is different frame hehe so mine must be either pre rpoduction or something like that cause i ran the tag and it came back a 653 but as picture above shows its different then what ive seen otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Bullington 5 #38 Posted October 15, 2008 im sure model year parts ran over into other years.. its amazing we dont see more than what we do...seems they actually did a pretty good job at using up parts and changing model years Michael Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,162 #39 Posted October 15, 2008 i ran the tag and it came back a 653 The only "tag" you could run is the sticker on the belt guard. The serial number on the sticker on the hoodstand is only the consecutive unit number. What I do see are the diagonal braces from the hoodstand to the frame and the rounded clutch/brake pedal, which means you have a potential 502/552/702 with a 653 belt guard. :banghead: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Bullington 5 #40 Posted October 15, 2008 if Im not mistaken the 1962 year models had the metal face plate mounted on the gas tanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustbucket 4 #41 Posted October 15, 2008 so my 653 isnt a 653 and i did all the work refixing its tech engine and everything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorekiwi 761 #42 Posted October 15, 2008 so my 653 isnt a 653 and i did all the work refixing its tech engine and everything Well, if it was a 552 (it's electric right?) it would've had an H55 in it until that blew up, and the easiest fix for that is to put in an H60. I've seen more 502's and 552's with H60's than H55's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustbucket 4 #43 Posted October 15, 2008 i dug threw my old posts and found the serial number off the machines sticker. 62-8840 if anyone knows how to find out what machine that belongs to let me know please cause my head is spinning truing to figure things out now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,162 #44 Posted October 15, 2008 It's quite simple, Jason. That serial number belongs to the hoodstand the sticker is on. As far as it meaning anything important - or being able to tell the model of the tractor - you can't. That ability didn't come about until 1965 with the introduction of the riveted metal tag and the new system of identification numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustbucket 4 #45 Posted October 15, 2008 YAY so i own a mistery machine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,162 #46 Posted October 15, 2008 YAY so i own a mistery machine. No...... you own a 1962 502/552/702 instead of the 653 you thought it was. That's not much of a mystery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rustbucket 4 #47 Posted October 15, 2008 well it looks nuthing like the true 702 my dad has sitting in the garage so that narrows it to one of the 500 models and i do apolagise for hijaking the thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Mo-(Moderator) 4,611 #48 Posted October 15, 2008 No apology necessary. Even though it has strayed pretty far from the original topic, it has been an education, at least for me. :banghead: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorekiwi 761 #49 Posted October 15, 2008 No...... you own a 1962 502/552/702 instead of the 653 you thought it was. That's not much of a mystery. You could look at this another way, and enjoy the challenge of working out what this tractor actually was... All 3 are the same basic tractor. Maybe you can tell by the details which one it was. I dont know if the switches were different between the 702 and 552 (TT can probably help here). If it has a starter switch and ammeter then it would've been a 702 or 552 (the 502 was recoil start). Is there any of the factory wiring left that might distinguish Kohler or Tecumseh? The Kohler had an external coil I believe? Any trace of the wiring differences between a starter generator (Kohler) or conventional starter (Tec)? How about where the engine was mounted. Any "witness" marks from a cast iron oil pan (Kohler) or just the steel plate the Tecumseh mounts to. If you dont want to play Columbo, you could just call it a 552, and order a new decal from TD, but personally I'd spend an hour looking at the thing trying to work out what it was... Actually it just occurred to me that the big giveaway on tthe age of these tractors is the one piece tank ('62) and that PITA 2 piece tank ('63). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,162 #50 Posted October 15, 2008 well it looks nuthing like the true 702 my dad has sitting in the garage so that narrows it to one of the 500 models Aside from the obvious engine difference, wiring harness and related electrics, and belt guard, the 502/552/702 are the same tractor. Here's a picture of all three: BTW: The 2 piece tank (removable bottom) actually started in late 1962! ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
