Battle of the 6hp Titans

[BPjunk 184]

Sorry for the delay in getting back to this subject but it has been a busy past week and I ended up getting a stomach virus from the food at the tractor show and spent the past few days ...... well not feeling any too good .

Any how Jerry and I broke our previous record of "How many Wheel Horses can we display at our local show" , last year we had 28 and this year we had close to 40. (it's like two old men trying to row a boat across the Atlantic Ocean .... we just row a little more each year) The record Wheel Horses attending a show other then the Annual Wheel Horse Show in Pa was the 2006 Riverveiw Show in Constantine, second place I think went to Westminster, Maryland in 2007 with 85 Wheel Horses attending.

OK back to the main event ..... Ya'll ain't gonna like this BUT .... I feel more testing is needed and here is the results to prove why.

Both the 633 and 552 weighed in at 540 pounds with me as the driver (digital scale)

First pull 633 - 21 feet

552 - 20 feet 4 inches

OK so the Kohlers 6hp pulled further then the Tecumseh by 8 inches BUT ... I messed up by not having the hitch hight equal on both tractors the 552 had a lower hitch hight! The hitch hights were reset and measured to the center line of the axle and the tractors repullled.

Second pull 633 - 19 feet 4 inches

552 - 17 feetOK so how does the Kohler now out pull the Tecumseh by 2 feet 4 inches???? Well guess in between what two pulls they watered down the pullin' track? <_<

I am going to run this test again on a different track in October as seeing the difference of only 8 inches with a non equal hitch hight makes me belive the 633 and 552 may have the same amount of usable power.

UH .... ER ..... OH Well .... yeah this part may as well get written into the results too (just for Tony and Nick) .... the dang rope DID BREAK ON THE TECUMSEH WHILE STARTING IT TO GO HOME!!!!!

Wild Bill in Richmond, Va.

[Brrly1 1,146]

Hey Bill Just for reference what was your thoughts on doing this test? Which Motor were you pulling for? I have a feeling you were pulling for the tecumseh but for some reason we don't have that in writing, only because you sometimes seem to lean that way in some of our conversations. Just checking. Burly

[Nick 13]

Bill, Sounds like you and Jerry made a few trips to the show. But ya got to show up them other brands.

I bet its going to be hard to keep all things perfectly even in the pulling tests. Maybe you will have better luck on the next try at it. But if the kohler wins Im sure everything was done right.

I wont say much about your broken starter rope. More than a few times Ive had the ole 8hp Kohler on the LR kick back and try to pull my arm in with the rope. Did learn to remove my rubber Wonder gloves before I start it. :omg:

[Docwheelhorse 2,740]

Bill thanks for the laugh and keep up the fight, you wil get that Tecumseh to vindicate itself yet!!

Tony

[HorseHead 0]

Why don't you just chain them together and see what happens?

[CasualObserver 3,411]

Why don't you just chain them together and see what happens?

That's not a sufficient test. You'd only be pulling 540 lbs either direction, and would be in the low end of the power band. You need the constant gradually adding weight of the transfer sled to move you up in the power band to judge which machine is putting more power to the ground so to speak. I can't explain the actual calculations, but that's the poor man's version.

This thread from a few weeks ago explains it in detail.

Tractor Pulling Questions

[fordsonmajortom 1]

A good test would be to use the same tractor and change the Kohler for the Tecumsee with exactly the same track conditions and a completly neutral unbiased driver. Even so either engine might not be completly up to rated power.

[BPjunk 184]

Hey Bill Just for reference what was your thoughts on doing this test? Which Motor were you pulling for? I have a feeling you were pulling for the tecumseh but for some reason we don't have that in writing, only because you sometimes seem to lean that way in some of our conversations. Just checking. Burly

Well John,

Ya' know this ain't no certified Nebraska Tractor Test BUT ... the winner will get some braggin' rights and to help out in the Chevy vs Ford, Harley vs Honda and Kohler vs Tecumseh discussions is why this test is importaint! :horseplay:

Now I can't show my bias when performing this test ....... BUT I will keep runnin' the test till the dang Tecumseh WINS! :banana: :horseplay: .............

Wild Bill in Richmond, Va.

[DMESS 24]

.25 hp advantage took the win eh.

Bill, the Teccy will be worn out before the test is over.

And last but not least....Why does Kohler build toilets?

Because Teccy needed a place to put their engines!

:horseplay:

[BPjunk 184]

Bill, Sounds like you and Jerry made a few trips to the show. But ya got to show up them other brands.

I bet its going to be hard to keep all things perfectly even in the pulling tests. Maybe you will have better luck on the next try at it. But if the kohler wins Im sure everything was done right.

I wont say much about your broken starter rope. More than a few times Ive had the ole 8hp Kohler on the LR kick back and try to pull my arm in with the rope. Did learn to remove my rubber Wonder gloves before I start it.

Welllllll Nick,

The anouncer at the tractor pull had quite a time joking on my behalf since I pulled three Wheel Horses one right after another!

ANOUNCER: Now we have Wild Bill pullin' a 1963 Wheel Horse

ANOUNCER: And we have Wild Bill AGAIN pullin' a 1962 Wheel Horse

ANOUNCER: Wild Bill again folks he just goes home and gets another and another and another Wheel Horse to pull with!

When the 552's recoil rope broke ya' should have seen the people lookin' when I belt started the 552 with the 633. People gathered 'round as the 633 was started with the 552 nose to nose with it and a belt crossed between the engine pulleys. I then jus' pushed the two tractors apart and the 552 magicly started ...... I really thought all hillbillies knew this!!!!????

Wild Bill in Richmond, Va.

[BPjunk 184]

A good test would be to use the same tractor and change the Kohler for the Tecumsee with exactly the same track conditions and a completly neutral unbiased driver. Even so either engine might not be completly up to rated power.

YES

This would be the proper procedure and make the test fair and square ..... but what fun would that be??????

AND WHERE DOES ONE FIND A UNBIASED DRIVER?????

Wild Bill in Richmond, Va.

[linen beige 15]

Why does Kohler build toilets?

Because Teccy needed a place to put their engines!

:horseplay:

AH>>>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.............Deep breath.AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. :thumbs:

[Duff 206]

And last but not least....Why does Kohler build toilets?

Because Teccy needed a place to put their engines!

Hmmmmm....did they ever use Teccy engines on Crapsman tractors????

Duff :banghead:

[wh500special 2,269]

When the 552's recoil rope broke ya' should have seen the people lookin' when I belt started the 552 with the 633. People gathered 'round as the 633 was started with the 552 nose to nose with it and a belt crossed between the engine pulleys. I then jus' pushed the two tractors apart and the 552 magicly started ...... I really thought all hillbillies knew this!!!!????

Hillbillies? Heck, I'm an elitist snob and I have done that trick before!

You know, if you pulled with vertical shaft tractors you wouldn't have to twist the belt...

[linen beige 15]

Hmmmmm....did they ever use Teccy engines on Crapsman tractors????

Duff

[Curmudgeon 28]

Question? Did the tractors always end their pull with a stalled engine, OR, did they go down spinning?

If they went down spinning, you're testing tires, not engines........

To be a test of engine power, every pull, by each tractor, has to end with a stalled engine.

There would still be a gadzillion variables, but like you said, What would be the fun in THAT????

[WheelHorse_of_course 99]

When the 552's recoil rope broke ya' should have seen the people lookin' when I belt started the 552 with the 633. People gathered 'round as the 633 was started with the 552 nose to nose with it and a belt crossed between the engine pulleys. I then jus' pushed the two tractors apart and the 552 magicly started ...... I really thought all hillbillies knew this!!!!????

Wild Bill in Richmond, Va.

So does that mean one was running backwards? :omg:

[Docwheelhorse 2,740]

Hey Bill, its alot more fun and interesting to DRAG start them... I had a Briggs that ended up 3/4's SUBMERGED in a swamp I was abusing a Workhorse 700 that was completly shot but wouldn;'t die when I intentionally tried to cross a 3' deep section of my pond. Well Mike (Sparky) laughed and hooked up the tow rope to get me home when the tractor and engine drowned.... After he got me rolling I stabbed the clutch and dropped the tractor into third and let the clutch out. The motor was turning over at about 3000 as he was dragging me back and he said it would never start.... WELL 3/4's of the way back wouldn't you know it coughed and then caught fire and ran!!!! It ran like crap with water in everywhere BUT IT RAN!!!! :horseplay:

Gimme a Briggs any day... like Rodney said "I get NO respect"

:omg:

[Nick 13]

A good dynamometer could be the best way to settle this fight but it wouldnt be as much fun.

Nothing wrong with an old Briggs engine. I spent many a day playing with our old Montgomery wards plow trac. That old briggs would pull down and sound like a Johnny popper lugging along. :horseplay: :banghead: