longball 1 #1 Posted June 4, 2014 Good evening, First, I would like to say that I am glad this forum exist and I feel fortunate to have stumbled across it. Thank you for participating. I just received a wheel horse mower as a gift from my dad. It belonged to my Grandpa before he passed away a few years ago and it has a few small problems. I believe I could fix them all fairly easily, however, I do not know what model it is not how to find out. Will you gentleman (and/or ladies) be able to assist me in identifying what exactly it is I have on my hands? The last picture is on the deck, not the mower. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theroundhousernr 590 #2 Posted June 4, 2014 Welcome, Great place. I have enjoyed this site greatly. Looks like you have a C-145 Auto. Post up some problems and I am sure members will be happy to help. Kyle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foozerush 40 #3 Posted June 4, 2014 Welcome to RS!!! that horse you have there is what we call a "black hood", to where someone painted over the black, looks fine to me, and looks like the rear fender is in one piece, bonus! Ask away with what's wrong with it, the peeps here know more about these WH's than the people who built them... No joke. And check out the vender section for those who sell used parts and they ship parts. Again welcome! Gregg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c-series don 10,023 #4 Posted June 4, 2014 Yes sir looks like you have a 1984 C - 145 automatic. Great tractor, post your problems and all the great people here will gladly help you fix them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky-(Admin) 23,147 #5 Posted June 4, 2014 Here's what you have; 01-14KE04 1983 C Series Garden Tractor C-145 Automatic Kohler K321AS-30373D 14 Eaton 1100-032 Mike............. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackhammer 550 #7 Posted June 4, 2014 Welcome -> Good to see you here at RedSquare. Looks like gramps and dad treated it and you pretty well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longball 1 #8 Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Thank you for all the quick replies. It is great to have that information. I am fortunate to have this mower for the sentimental value but in addition to that it is just a really neat little machine. The two most pressing issues at the moment are that all the belts are completely wore out. As of now it will not move more than an inch or two in either direction. The other issue is the leaking of transmission/hydraulic fluid. It leaks a fairly large amount of fluid during and after use. I can't yet tell where it is coming from, but it drops right in the center of the deck, about an inch from the rear of the deck. When I took the seat, fender, and shield off of it tonight it seems pretty clear that this is not a new leak. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited June 4, 2014 by longball Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky-(Admin) 23,147 #9 Posted June 4, 2014 Not moving more than an inch or two does not sound good. Are you sure the tranny is engaged? There is a lever that needs to be in the down position to give the belt tension to spin the hydro pump. Hopefully a new belt and a tranny fluid/filter change fixes that problem (and find the source of the leak). Mike........... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longball 1 #10 Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Mr. Sparky, If I may ask, what would be the worst case scenario? I was mowing with it when it stopped wanting to go anywhere. After I took the shield off I used a long screwdriver to apply a small amount a pressure to the belt, much in the way a tensioner would. While applying pressure to the belt I pushed the......(not sure of the proper term but the lever that controls forward and backward motion) and it jumped forward. That, coupled with the horrible shape of the belt is what led me to believe the belts were the issue. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited June 4, 2014 by longball Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,498 #11 Posted June 4, 2014 Longball. Wellcome to the best place it town. Don't be a stranger. Glenn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KC9KAS 4,744 #12 Posted June 4, 2014 ..Toro dealers should have a replacement belt. It will be a little more expensive than other automotive belts, but the Toro belt will last longer and work better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheel-N-It 2,976 #13 Posted June 4, 2014 I suggest you powerwash all the gunk off the underside of the tractor to begin looking for the leak. I first suspect a leaking hydro hose or lift cylinder. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,925 #15 Posted June 4, 2014 Welcome and nice tractor. My approach would be to first clean it up good. That's a lot of crud keeping you from seeing things. The belt is toast. Replace it, make sure your tranny is topped off and try it again. Based on your screwdriver test you may find that nothing serious is wrong. I'm thinking you'll easily see where the leak is once it's clean and you can address that issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longball 1 #16 Posted June 4, 2014 Not moving more than an inch or two does not sound good. Are you sure the tranny is engaged? There is a lever that needs to be in the down position to give the belt tension to spin the hydro pump. Hopefully a new belt and a tranny fluid/filter change fixes that problem (and find the source of the leak). Mike........... Me. Sparky, Sorry I missed your question about the transmission lever. Yes, the lever is in the down position, permanently actually, until the top and bottom portions are welded back together or a new lever is installed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdleach 525 #17 Posted June 5, 2014 Welcome to the forum. I second, third, fourth.....etc., everyone who suggested doing a thorough cleaning. Do replace all the belts. In fact, go through the entire machine and address all maintenance items. Make sure all fluids are clean and full, tranny filter changed, grease fittings greased, pivot points and linkages oiled, etc. Pulled the blower sheet metal from the engine, and blow out the cooling fins, make sure air can move freely across the cylinder. Take the seat and fender pan off, and clean the tranny top to bottom, and underneath. You may even want to remove the rear wheels for access. When the wheels and seat/fender is off, there isn't any part of the tranny not easily visible. Once clean, the leak will be obvious. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
km3h 543 #18 Posted June 5, 2014 Welcome to the forum. There is no problem these guys can't solve. Never be afraid to ask a question. These guys are just sitting by their computers waiting to solve whatever comes up. You are very lucky to have a tractor that has been in the family for such a long time. Just do like everyone has said. First clean it up so you can see where your problems are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longball 1 #19 Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Thanks for all the replies fellas. A cleaning is definitely in the near future. Hopefully I can get a belt on it tonight and get my yard mowed (if I don't get it mowed soon I might as well have someone cut it for hay) then clean it up this weekend. None of the small engine dealers near me have a drive belt so I am going to try to find a match at an auto parts store after work. Does anyone the specs or a part number for that belt by chance? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited June 5, 2014 by longball Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racinbob 11,925 #20 Posted June 5, 2014 Found this for you in another post: Toro # 108501 {HB/5Lx81.5} fits the 1983 C-145 Auto model 01-14KE04 The twin cylinder models may use the longer belt. No - Toro 7478 Replaces 4535 {HB/5Lx84.22"} Fits earlier models with Sundstrand hydro. 1977 and prior Automatic models may benefit from using a 85" belt. See PSB #314 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
56flatbed 29 #21 Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) Welcome to Red Square Longball! This place will have you up and running in no time, I guarantee you. Nice C145. They are real workhorses. The Toro number for your drivebelt is 108834, the closest you will find in your neighborhood Tractor Supply or auto parts will be a 5/8 x 81", which will get you running. Eventually you should get a Toro belt, as they will last 10 times as long as anything else and they are manufactured for an exact fit. If I remember my numbers correctly, you have a 42" rear discharge deck which will use a 1/2 x 99" drive belt, I don't have the Toro number on hand. Hope this helps you out. Edited June 6, 2014 by 56flatbed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longball 1 #22 Posted June 6, 2014 Thank you both for the drive belt info. I checked several local shops and all of them were out of the drive belt so I did put an 81" belt on tonight. Unfortunately that did not fix the problem. The day it stopped working however, the lever that engages the transmission broke while the transmission was disengaged. In order to try to use the mower that night I swung the lower portion of that lever down and out of the way and started mowing. That is when I made two rounds around the yard before it stopped. Could that cause an issue like the one I am having? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longball 1 #23 Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) Well, I am thoroughly embarrassed about the whole belt issue. After putting a new belt on that didn't make the wheel horse move I stepped away from it for a couple days. When I returned with a fresh set of eyes I saw just how far in front of my horse (coincidental pun) I had let my cart get. When the mower quit running was when I took the drive belt shield off or the first time. I paid attention to the way the belt was routed, purchased a new belt, then installed it exactly as I had seen the old belt. The problem with that was that I was in such a hurry to get this problem sorted out that I didn't realize the original had simply slipped off of the pulley who's job it is to keep tension on the drive belt (insert forehead into palm). Once my neighbor fabricated a me new transmission lever I was up and running again. On to the next issue, the transmission fluid leak. I took enough body panels off so I could see the area above the deck/behind the deck lift. The silver lever coming out of that housing is the deck lift lever. If I may pluck from the collective expertise once again: 1. What is the proper term for this part? 2. Is this a common problem? 3. Is it rebuildable or would I be better off to just order a new one? Thank you again for the info and expertise. This forum is a highly valuable resource! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited June 24, 2014 by longball Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMCIII 838 #24 Posted June 24, 2014 I suggest you powerwash all the gunk off the underside of the tractor to begin looking for the leak. I first suspect a leaking hydro hose or lift cylinder. I agree. Clean it up real good first. Then, use this site to find the belts you require. http://www.toro.com/en-us/parts/Pages/PartsDetails.aspx?mybeid=20190&serialNumber=8900001&modelNumber=79365&searchTerm=9lzIRv+p5zcpOkyTmcp8/Coy1ZUw8YARIWWalX8Gi4DuTtOKFWu1BOrgn8aib08p&defaultTab=parts#toro-parts-lookup-tabs Just place your model number in at the top and it will then give you options to look up for your GT. Once you have that, just post something in the wanted adds for the belts you require. I would bet that someone has a few lying around they would let go for a whole lot less than what your local Toro Dealer would sell them for...... Welcome to RS. Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorts 182 #25 Posted June 30, 2014 The picture is a hydraulic spool valve to operate the lift system, determine where it is leaking from and then we can help you decide if it is a repair or replace part Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
