Bobie01 22 #1 Posted February 21, 2014 hello I can't find out which tractor I have. Obviously it s a Blackhood. On the hood is writen 165 Auto but it is an KT17 in... Seriel N : is 01-16KS-91 the model N is 194044. I had tryd an the Toro Website but whitout result. Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
varosd 1,185 #2 Posted February 21, 2014 01-16KS01, C-165 Automatic Tractor, 1980 is the closest match on parts tree. I'm sure other folks from the Benelux will identify it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 23,279 #3 Posted February 21, 2014 Jeff...could the Serial number be 01-16KS-01? OH OH...Don beat me to it. 1980 C-165. I think you are getting caught up in the horses that were built over seas (Belgium). They do not always match the lists of the horses built in the states. Seems like they used what parts they had to build over there. Your KT17 is probably stock in your horse...over here it would have the 16 hsp. I don't know if there is an ID list for the horses built in Belgium. Your serial number could very well be 01-16KS-91. Please verify your serial number. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meadowfield 2,754 #4 Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Number sounds right for the Amnor factory. They ended in 91 to indicate Belgium. Also likely that they did fit them with KT17s. They definitely built C-175s there as well.... Type the number Steve suggests for the parts list Edited February 21, 2014 by meadowfield Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 23,279 #5 Posted February 21, 2014 Meadowfield...is there a list of serial numbers of the horses built in Belgium??? So to say it is a 1980 would be a good guess anyway?? So...the horse is a 1980 C-165 with a KT17...or it is a 1980 C-175 that is not sticker-ed correctly on the hood...or the combination of both?? I know they were not building Corvettes and they used what they had on hand...remember the Ponds started out in a garage and no 2 seniors are alike. Jeff, look at it like this...you have a one of a kind horse...take that black part of the hood and put GOLD Leaf there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
varosd 1,185 #6 Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Didn't Vincent (from Belgium ) have a list of the models? Edited February 21, 2014 by varosd 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 23,279 #7 Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure Don...but it would not be hard to start trying to put one together with all the over seas guys we have active now. One thing...they dealt with the newer horses...have to check my book to see when they started building them over there. I did not know that they used the 91 thingy to show they were made in Belgium...a lot of times that 9 could look like a 0. Dang...I just hate to learn something new every day...drives me crazy. Sooner or later, I am going to have a day where I know everything...ya right. Did they use the 91 thingy from start to finish.?? Edited February 21, 2014 by stevasaurus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meadowfield 2,754 #8 Posted February 21, 2014 Meadowfield...is there a list of serial numbers of the horses built in Belgium??? So to say it is a 1980 would be a good guess anyway?? So...the horse is a 1980 C-165 with a KT17...or it is a 1980 C-175 that is not sticker-ed correctly on the hood...or the combination of both?? I know they were not building Corvettes and they used what they had on hand...remember the Ponds started out in a garage and no 2 seniors are alike. Jeff, look at it like this...you have a one of a kind horse...take that black part of the hood and put GOLD Leaf there. There's a list that Vincent has, but it's almost identical to the US model list. I have my European register with quite a few variants as well as a model list which starts to cover the different European models. You are right they used what was on hand, from the model no my brothers Raider 10 is a Raider 12. Andy (wheeledhorseman) has a C100 that has a B100 model no. If I recall correctly. But for the engine that model checks out with my knowledge of euro numbers. Mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 23,279 #9 Posted February 21, 2014 Mark...how extensive is your list and is Vincent's accurate?? Maybe you could put the 2 together and get it pinned atop the Euro Tractor Section...TT or one of the OLDER members may have tried to start this list also. I know there are a number of threads concerning this topic. I think a pinned list that members could add to would be of much help. I would be willing to try to put this together if I get the input. We would need a place for members to post their information...serial numbers of horses, engines...what the decals say on the horses...types of trannys (manual 4/8, axle size...auto...etc)...what do ya think?? PICTURES!!! A lot of work, but I think this is where we are at now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobie01 22 #10 Posted February 21, 2014 thanks!!! the numbers are correct. I just want to know if the hood or the engine is a replacement and whit OM I should chose... anyway i will repower it with a k301 until I get the Kt17 running but when it s the stock engine it has 2300 hours!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meadowfield 2,754 #11 Posted February 21, 2014 I think even if we gathered all the member model numbers on here we would be scratching at the surface. I've been making decals for over 3 years and am still astounded by the number of variants. No two orders ever seem to be the same! Garry has a list too, we could try combine them. But for sure within days someone would come up with a model we had missed :D 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobie01 22 #12 Posted February 21, 2014 Mark you could at mee also to your register. I also can give you the numbers from my Raider 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 23,279 #13 Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Jeff, I think your tractor is complete off the line as is...the hood and the engine do not match (what is in the states), but I have a feeling that is the way your horse left the line. You could change one or the other to make it match what we have in the states, but you are not going to change that serial number...it is what it is and that is OK. You have a 1980 C-165 auto with a KT17 engine ser # 01-16KS-91...Mark is right...may not ever be able to make up a list of what happened over there...just so you know...some of that happened over here also. The lists are kind of correct, but it has some variants. Personally, I would not change a thing. If a list does start to get made, the serial numbers of the tractors could help to put this into context. BTW...your English is a ton better then my Luxembourgish. Edited February 21, 2014 by stevasaurus 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheeledhorseman 579 #14 Posted February 22, 2014 You are right they used what was on hand, from the model no my brothers Raider 10 is a Raider 12. Andy (wheeledhorseman) has a C100 that has a B100 model no. If I recall correctly. I have three tractors from the Amnor factory era that came to me in unmolested by PO form and on which I can comment. The C-120 Auto (1975) was true to US type in all respects. However the tractor sold here and badged as a C-100 (1977) was actually what had been manufactured in the US as a B-100 - only minor differences like no lighting system. (you remember correctly Mark). My A-800 seems typical of all Amnor manufactured examples and was fitted with a standard fender pan from the B and C ranges rather than the fender designed specifically for it as appeared on the US model. Easy to blame Amnor for these oddities but the shots were actually being called from South Bend. Some variants may have arisen from shortages but mainly they appear to have been cost savings possibly to offset the cost of shipping parts over - just a guess from my experience. After production ceased in Belgium and 'Euro' models were assembled and shipped from South Bend these 'savings' appear to have continued. For example, my 316-8 Euro model is pretty much the same as the US model but we got the cheaper Onan engine with no oil filter. Andy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anglo Traction 761 #15 Posted February 22, 2014 Just wondered if the KT17 Engine details can be dated to '80'. May give an idea that it was fitted at the Factory. Jeff, Belgium Built numbering has no standard system. Here is a link to an example Thread about them- There are many more if you search for the word Belgium in the Euro Horse Forum. The differences in Model Specification and Numbers started in 1969 and went on right to the end. Like Andy (wheeledhorseman) , I was lucky, my 2 are/were correct to US Tractor Spec and Model Numbers. .......I would call it a C175 anyway. At least you know why it is not correct, so it makes the Tractor Unique until another is found the same. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobie01 22 #16 Posted February 22, 2014 Today I pull it out... without taking a pic... I think out of the 165/175 will get a 125. I have a k301 that runs and I need a mover for this yaer ...but the deck is in parts. the previous owner bent it with a big tactor.An I have no time because it s my last School year and I have to learn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobie01 22 #17 Posted February 22, 2014 I had read that the hydros has an valve which I can open to roll the tracotr without starting the engine but i can t find it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,482 #18 Posted February 22, 2014 This is from the 1979 C-Series operator manual Garry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheeledhorseman 579 #19 Posted February 24, 2014 Getting back to your original question Jeff.... There was an RS member in Belgium called 'Wim' who made a few posts in the Euro section back in 2011. He had a C-165 and based on the photo it had the standard engine. I have searched the Internet and found two references in other forums to C-165 tractors made in Belgium with the same year and model number as yours (01-16KS-91) and these also had the standard K341 AS engine. One of these posts was made way back in 1999 and the guy had just changed the engine because of various problems he'd had with it. So I wouldn't be too worried about the conversion you are making - the tractor is getting used to it by now. My gut feeling is that it did start life with a K341, the KT17 was a change made by a previous owner. Andy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobie01 22 #20 Posted February 24, 2014 Mu WH is a little bit differend. here is a Pic of mine an the engine that I ll fit. I thinkt it will fit perfect.I m don t know if the oilpan fit oderwise I have to drill new holes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anglo Traction 761 #21 Posted February 24, 2014 The flat oil pan on your K301 should bolt straight onto the frame ok without having to drill holes . 2 bolts pass up from under the frame into the oil pan. The Oil Drain pipe should point to the flywheel side . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobie01 22 #22 Posted February 24, 2014 thanks sou I can start when I have time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
