oaktown1987 82 #1 Posted January 15, 2014 got me a new toy a 1969 charger 12 the only year the kohler k didnt have points Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
can whlvr 994 #3 Posted January 15, 2014 so is it a magneto ? or like the magnums Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kelly 1,033 #4 Posted January 15, 2014 That is the early breakerless ign. they used it a few years in the late 60's early 70's parts are getting very hard to find for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,162 #5 Posted January 16, 2014 '69 through sometime in '72 on the Horses, then back to "points" until the last K in '86. Don't get the urge to spray water near the flywheel of your Charger. Those ignition triggers don't like getting wet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oaktown1987 82 #6 Posted January 16, 2014 Did it didn't work to well It says my pic are to big to post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smoreau 658 #7 Posted January 16, 2014 They don't like cold weather ether. My old 69 electro12 would not have good spark when it was below 32deg. Drag it into the shop and warm it up and it would run all day. glad it my brothers problem know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheel-N-It 2,976 #10 Posted January 16, 2014 Darn good save there for the curiosity of the ignition system. Can you post a couple more pics of that ignition setup? I'm not familiar with that type, and would like to be on the lookout for one of those here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,162 #11 Posted January 16, 2014 Darn good save there for the curiosity of the ignition system. Can you post a couple more pics of that ignition setup? I'm not familiar with that type, and would like to be on the lookout for one of those here. You can see the transformer (coil) mounted to the blower housing in the first picture of post #9. That's basically all you can see from the outside. The lack of points cover & points (and plugged push rod hole) is another indicator. There's a picture of the trigger module here: @"OAKTOWN": what's the ID number of your tractor? That's not a '69 Charger. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
formariz 12,040 #12 Posted January 16, 2014 I have used a 1969 Electro 12 with that ignition system for years and always starts on first crank regardless of conditions. However one time after using it the day before when I went to start it there was no spark. After testing both coil and trigger and not being sure of results I went on the quest for replacements. Not easy or cheap. While tractor was apart and waited for a trigger I see that wiring needed some care so I decided to re wire entire tractor. That was when I found cause of problem. Tucked in the back of dash in a totally impossible place to work is the alternator where I see that connector wires got loose and a little corroded over time and one came off and was touching the other one. Result is that it fried the stator under flywheel . This one has 3 wires instead of the regular 2 and if I thought that the coil and trigger were expensive and hard to find , this one was a real whopper . Not wanting to convert it to a point system since I had already sprung for a trigger I kept looking. Luckily I found one guy on eBay that had a NOS one in original box and also a NOS coil both advertised for a Case tractor. Worked out a deal with him off eBay and got both. All three NOS cost me $280.00 which if anyone has been looking you know is pretty cheap. I have been looking for another stator since then just to have a spare and have never seen another one since. So I recommend to anyone with a tractor having this ignition to take a look at those connections at the alternator. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheel-N-It 2,976 #14 Posted January 17, 2014 Darn good save there for the curiosity of the ignition system. Can you post a couple more pics of that ignition setup? I'm not familiar with that type, and would like to be on the lookout for one of those here. You can see the transformer (coil) mounted to the blower housing in the first picture of post #9. That's basically all you can see from the outside. The lack of points cover & points (and plugged push rod hole) is another indicator. There's a picture of the trigger module here: @"OAKTOWN": what's the ID number of your tractor? That's not a '69 Charger. Thank you Terry. Now thats a pic I really wanted to see Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oaktown1987 82 #15 Posted January 17, 2014 I took more pics but more than 1 mb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheel-N-It 2,976 #16 Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) I took more pics but more than 1 mb Uh Ohh, Time to become a Supporter cause' we like pics! Edited January 17, 2014 by Wheel-N-It 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oaktown1987 82 #17 Posted January 17, 2014 1 7252 model Serial 638982 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,162 #18 Posted January 17, 2014 1 7252 model Serial 638982 It's a 1970 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theroundhousernr 590 #19 Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) On my Gt-14 I have the breakless ignition. When I pulled it out of storage I went through all the wiring and tested all components of the ignition. You just check to make sure there is no continuity between the case and the winding of the coil. Also , you will want to ohm the coil ( not sure what the resistance should be off hand but I think its 11,000 Ohms ). Mine passed these test fine but be ware it still can be faulty. These coil are known to start failing when they heat up. I lucked out and mine was fine. Pull the trigger off and test it according to the manual. You are just making sure that the diodes have not broke down and are leaking current through both ways. Also that the switch is still functioning. Follow the Kohler manual for these steps. I just used a home made flash light tester. I also freshened up my wiring on the hole tractor for piece of mind. As far as cold starts, in the kohler manual it will tell you for best cold starts, make sure the trigger module to flywheel trigger gap is as close to .005 as possible for best performance. After doing all this , my GT14 started the other week in 10 degree weather, like it was summer time. I am hoping with proper care, I will not have to fuss with this system for a long time. Kyle Edited January 17, 2014 by Theroundhousernr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theroundhousernr 590 #20 Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) Oh yea and for further safety , I followed kohlers advice and installed a 330 ohm resistor in series with the kill switch wire off the coil. This is to protect the coil and trigger from accidently getting positive voltage through a wet/faulty switch by bleeding off the current through the resistor. Now if only i could find a gas tank for my poor gt14 lol. Edited January 17, 2014 by Theroundhousernr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oaktown1987 82 #21 Posted January 18, 2014 What's the different between a 69 and 70 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chazm 413 #22 Posted January 18, 2014 About a year 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oaktown1987 82 #23 Posted January 18, 2014 Really Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,162 #24 Posted January 18, 2014 '69 still had the old-style hood. Not a very nice example, but there are '69 Electros in the gallery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oaktown1987 82 #25 Posted January 25, 2014 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
