Graeme 7 #1 Posted January 2, 2014 Last week I purchased my first Wheel Horse as an adult (we had a few when I was a kid). It is a 416-8. I spoke to a small engine tech who had worked on it and he thinks it is a 1987. I haven't been able to locate any id tags on it. I suspect someone removed them to paint, or perhaps for other more nefarious reasons. Either way, I am wondering if there are stamps somewhere in steel that will identify my machine so I can accurately order replacement parts. I can tell you that it has a Kohler Magnum, I assume it is the correct motor for the machine, but without id tags, no way to tell for sure, yet. Thanks and Happy New Year! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,133 #2 Posted January 2, 2014 does the engine have a serial number? there are ways to narrow it down by tractor decals etc but we need some pics...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graeme 7 #3 Posted January 2, 2014 No serial numbers that I have been able to locate yet. Here are a few pics, let me know if you need more detailed pics. Well. I have pics, I guess I have some learning to do before I post them. I thought it would be obvious, but..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graeme 7 #4 Posted January 2, 2014 Ahhh, here are some pics. Let me know if you need to see something specific. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,133 #5 Posted January 2, 2014 from what i just read 1987 was the first year for the magnum, and you don't have a toro decal tractor. i think 1987-89 would be right. I'm sure others will chime in on this, but i think 1987 is right there...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,162 #6 Posted January 2, 2014 '85/'86 models had a Kohler K341 engine '87/'88 models had an M16 Magnum '89-'97 models had Onan P216 engines I see an '87/'88 up there, but no way of knowing which. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,499 #7 Posted January 2, 2014 I have a 1988, i dont know if this amounts to much, I dont see the 8 speed decal and I notice the throttle and choke lever knobs are red. My knobs on those are black and the 8 speed decals are on my tractor to. For whatever thats worth. Glenn btw,,,good luck with your tractor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,484 #8 Posted January 2, 2014 1987-88 operator manual for 416-8 Garry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT-(Moderator) 1,162 #9 Posted January 2, 2014 I have a 1988, i dont know if this amounts to much, I dont see the 8 speed decal and I notice the throttle and choke lever knobs are red. My knobs on those are black and the 8 speed decals are on my tractor to. The tractor pictured above has had some "cosmetic surgery". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graeme 7 #10 Posted January 2, 2014 Not necessarily my kind of cosmetic surgery. There are a few minor issues to sort out. Most of the safety switches have been disabled or are even missing, the steering column has a lot of slop in it, the dash lights (the little warning light block) has some issues, it pops fuses when you push the test button, (I ordered a new button for that). I changed the trans fluid yesterday, that was a nice milky mocha colored, I didn't taste it but I'm fairly confident it was old chocolate milk. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graeme 7 #11 Posted January 2, 2014 So here is an interesting update. Yesterday, prior to joining red square I sent an email to toro with what info I had about my tractor, the same info in the beginning of this question and just now I got a response stating that it is a 1987 model number 31-16K803 and since it is too old to email a copy they are sending a print version via snail mail. I thought that was pretty impressive customer service. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anglo Traction 761 #12 Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) So here is an interesting update. Yesterday, prior to joining red square I sent an email to toro with what info I had about my tractor, the same info in the beginning of this question and just now I got a response stating that it is a 1987 model number 31-16K803 and since it is too old to email a copy they are sending a print version via snail mail. I thought that was pretty impressive customer service. Have to agree with the Toro service. Back in 2009, they sent me hard copies of IPL and Owners Manuals for a 72 Raider via UPS to the UK free of charge Edited January 2, 2014 by Anglo Traction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
