Anglo Traction 761 #26 Posted December 30, 2013 Didn't GT's use a longer frame plow, or did I just make that up Reckon you must have just made it up Mark (distracted by dreaming about your women?), same size and part number Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meadowfield 2,754 #27 Posted December 30, 2013 Does that mean my now redundant plow from the c-101 will fit the GT? Ewan will be pleased as he's planning on borrowing it for his tractor... :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anglo Traction 761 #28 Posted December 30, 2013 Can't say Mark, I don't know what Model Frame you have. A C-101 will be about 1977>79. A GT is around 69-71. Frame and Blade were separate packages early 70s, later ones were complete and sold based on Tractor Model and Blade size. Imagine they're basically the same , but recall that there were subtle differences like the clearance of the Lever and footplates Worth a try though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meadowfield 2,754 #29 Posted December 30, 2013 Oddly, my plow came without the blade angle lever, but with the extra extension for the lift. I reckon it probably would fit and work... Maybe a job to get around go when I've done all the others :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheeledhorseman 579 #30 Posted December 30, 2013 Does that mean my now redundant plow from the c-101 will fit the GT? Ewan will be pleased as he's planning on borrowing it for his tractor... I think snow blades are pretty much redundant across the country at present - unless you fit a rubber squeegee and fancy pushing mud slurry about! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anglo Traction 761 #31 Posted December 31, 2013 I think snow blades are pretty much redundant across the country at present - unless you fit a rubber squeegee and fancy pushing mud slurry about! Look's like it Andy. Knowing my luck, if ever I bought one, we wouldn't see snow again for several years!. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
neil 2,410 #32 Posted December 31, 2013 (edited) It always crossed my mind how easy it would be to construct some sorta rig up where as the blade could actually be used as a kinda of small fork lift . By attaching some forks to the bottom of the blade . sorta like those that fflip over the front bucket on a JCB site master digger Although it wouldnt be able to lift things very high it would be handy to just use it for shifting lightweight pallets around . Or maybe a frame could be made so that it attaches to the blade & is connected to a winch cable by a series of pullies , which allows you to use the tractor as a small fork lift around the home Just a thought , Edited December 31, 2013 by neil Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stigian 1,234 #33 Posted December 31, 2013 Didn't GT's use a longer frame plow, or did I just make that up Reckon you must have just made it up Mark (distracted by dreaming about your women?), same size and part number The same size and part number!! I'm amazed at that... I would of though a GT plow frame would be longer! I built my snowplow to fit my 312, but the frame is too short for the GT It always crossed my mind how easy it would be to construct some sorta rig up where as the blade could actually be used as a kinda of small fork lift . By attaching some forks to the bottom of the blade . sorta like those that fflip over the front bucket on a JCB site master digger Although it wouldnt be able to lift things very high it would be handy to just use it for shifting lightweight pallets around . Or maybe a frame could be made so that it attaches to the blade & is connected to a winch cable by a series of pullies , which allows you to use the tractor as a small fork lift around the home Just a thought , I've had the same thought Neil. It might work if all you have to do is shift pallets in a nice flat yard. But for me a "forkplow" would not have enough lift to stop a pallet hitting the rather up and down terrain. You would be better off making pallet forks to go on your GT's 3 point.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anglo Traction 761 #34 Posted December 31, 2013 Yep ,The Attachment Interchange List shows only one Model number for the Completing Package ('A' Frame etc), that being 6-4114(final revised nbr ). That is from '69-72'-ish (in reference to GT14s), but the separate Frame and Blade Model numbers ran to about '74' and covered many Long Frame Models . After that the complete Frame and Blade were Model numbered as a complete Package to fit a specific Model range. Incidentally, the GT14 is quoted as being the only Model that had a 54" Blade (6-9612) back then A 56" Blade was introduced for the C-160s and the 'D' Series in '74' because the Engine Power etc had Oomph to push that size. An average of 4 different Frame sizes were used for the various Model ranges in the late 60s-to mid 70s alone. So as Ian says , his 312 styled Frame doesn't fit his GT14, purely because they altered over time. For me, I would never buy a Frame/Blade unless it had the Model Number on it, so I knew it would fit my Tractor(s).......but then it would probably still not Snow for me to use it. Regards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
landsurveyor 2 #35 Posted December 31, 2013 My c series blade fitted fine on my gt14 with no modifications, even the lift bar was in the right place...it is seized for the angle adjustment though so not sure if it would catch the tyres on the angle? Pics here: Ironically all I have pushed with it is Daniels (Robins) mud heap, bring on the snow! Ian - your GT is looking fine, I am enjoying watching your adventures! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meadowfield 2,754 #36 Posted December 31, 2013 My c series blade fitted fine on my gt14 with no modifications, even the lift bar was in the right place...it is seized for the angle adjustment though so not sure if it would catch the tyres on the angle? maybe I should try mine, I just assumed it wouldn't fit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stigian 1,234 #37 Posted December 31, 2013 My c series blade fitted fine on my gt14 with no modifications, even the lift bar was in the right place...it is seized for the angle adjustment though so not sure if it would catch the tyres on the angle? Pics here: Ironically all I have pushed with it is Daniels (Robins) mud heap, bring on the snow! Ian - your GT is looking fine, I am enjoying watching your adventures! Thanks for posting that link up Simon, any chance you could tell me how much space in in between the plow frame and the GT's front axle at it's closest point? It looks to have as little as the frame on my GT... Not much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
neil 2,410 #38 Posted December 31, 2013 (edited) Not sure if the plow frame would fit on a Gt14 with a 3pt hitch as im not sure if the 3pt axle bracket would get in the way of installation or if it has a provision for fitting a plow frame . Mark may have the same problem as me as he also has a 3pt hitch ????????????? Maybe i will go and check it out tomorrow , toooooo dark now Edited December 31, 2013 by neil Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meadowfield 2,754 #39 Posted December 31, 2013 Not sure if the plow frame would fit on a Gt14 with a 3pt hitch as im not sure if the 3pt axle bracket would get in the way of installation or if it has a provision for fitting a plow frame . Mark may have the same problem as me as he also has a 3pt hitch ????????????? Maybe i will go and check it out tomorrow , toooooo dark now my 3 point frame (lower part) has the plow bracket integrated I'm assuming that was standard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheeledhorseman 579 #40 Posted December 31, 2013 Purely academic from my point of view as I don't have a GT14 but reading through WH literature I've observed the following: Where accessories are listed for the GT14 in the Toro parts viewer it refers to a 54" blade only. The Wheel Horse Interchange document shows only the 54" blade as being compatible - the GT14 box for the 42" blade is unchecked (no cross) The A frame parts list and instructions for A frames 6-4112 and 6-4113 makes the following comment: The 54" blade is for use only on GT14 model tractors. The 42" blade adapts to all other model tractors except 1959-61 mid mount engines, vertical shaft engines and Lawn Rangers. (A little ambiguous re the GT14 and the 42" blade but I think the 'all other models' tends to suggest but not the GT14. Could it be that the geometry of the mounting on the 54" blade (rather than frame) is different and alows the blade to angle left and right without fouling on the front tyres? There must be a reason why no link between 42" blade and GT14 is made in these documents methinks. Andy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robins 26 #41 Posted December 31, 2013 Ive no idea on these things as i plan to make my own using Simon's (landsurveyor) as a size pattern (thanks for the lend mate ) But looking at the pic of the plow on the GT14 in the link above, im sure the blade was further out when i fitted it the other day? could be wrong. Which got me thinking, there was a plow on ebay with an additional bit of frame the other day. Would this be an extension for the longer frame tractors? cheers, Daniel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anglo Traction 761 #42 Posted December 31, 2013 A theory on this ......It may also have only shown the 54" blade for the GT14, possibly because there is a difference in the height between it and 'C' Series types?. The Blade may be deeper and the mounting point on it may have compensated for this. Using a 42" or other Blade may have been possible, but not without checking wheel clearance or modifying to sort the Lift Linkage length. .....Any Experts please chime in! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stigian 1,234 #43 Posted January 1, 2014 Who would of thought that moving some logs would open such a debate on snowplows You all certainly know your snowplow/model numbers stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheeledhorseman 579 #44 Posted January 1, 2014 Who would of thought that moving some logs would open such a debate on snowplows You all certainly know your snowplow/model numbers stuff Well Ian, as the Jet Stream isn't showing signs of moving anytime soon and it doesn't look as though we'll be using blades this winter, might as well talk about them instead I guess! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie Smith 142 #45 Posted January 1, 2014 Just my luck! Because I finally got my self a snow plough for both of my tractors, no snow will arrive, RAIN RAIN GO AWAY BRING ME SOME SNOW TODAY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stigian 1,234 #46 Posted January 1, 2014 Who would of thought that moving some logs would open such a debate on snowplows You all certainly know your snowplow/model numbers stuff Well Ian, as the Jet Stream isn't showing signs of moving anytime soon and it doesn't look as though we'll be using blades this winter, might as well talk about them instead I guess! Good point Andy.. There is vague talk out there on the net that the Jet Stream may start moving about the middle of this month.. We shall see.. Just my luck! Because I finally got my self a snow plough for both of my tractors, no snow will arrive, RAIN RAIN GO AWAY BRING ME SOME SNOW TODAY! There's still plenty of winter to go yet Charlie, time left for it to snow.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meadowfield 2,754 #47 Posted January 1, 2014 I might just well look at fitting my plow to the GT and see how it fares in the snow, if we ever get any :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheeledhorseman 579 #48 Posted January 2, 2014 Don posted this in the other GT14 thread in the Euro zone I believe the hitch for the Snow plough on a 14 GT mounted in front of the rear axle. The later C- Series mounted under the axle that would make up the difference in length. Thought I'd copy it over to this thread for interest sake. Andy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stigian 1,234 #49 Posted January 2, 2014 Don posted this in the other GT14 thread in the Euro zone I believe the hitch for the Snow plough on a 14 GT mounted in front of the rear axle. The later C- Series mounted under the axle that would make up the difference in length. Thought I'd copy it over to this thread for interest sake. Andy You beat me to it Andy It would explain a few things... Starting to wonder if moving my GT's rear hitch forward a bit is the way for me to go.. Easier than lengthening my plow frame, and it would mean the plow wouldn't look comically long if I ever hang it under my 312 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stormin 9,985 #50 Posted January 2, 2014 Methinks I should have got floatation tyres, instead of making a plough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
