tire replacement for my 416-8 ,,, ideas needed

[JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,499]

gentleman, first off I want to let you know that I did a search on the forums, read everything I could find on here, back as far as 2008 or 2007. I think the one forum where you guys posted pictures of all the differant tires on your tractors was GREAT / SUPER. My head is whirling with every type of tire, from turf to ag tires.

 

Every picture looked so darn good I dont know what to get,,,,,confused me good but those dam pictures looked super duper.

 

One thing I surely, for darn sure would want to do is go BIGGER, front and rear. I think WIDER meat looks better. my thoughts to me anyways. Would you gents that have dont this be able to suggest bigger sizes that would still work where I would not have to do any modifications? I think the front tires are the hardest, being they turn and I dont want interference on the front axel.

 

ANY AND ALL comments most deeply appreciated. Also any suggestions of where to purchase, I did save other out of state tire dealers that were posted on older threads also.

 

Thanks a million guys, tires / chains / weights are my next step. dam i luv my 416-8 allready, especially after snow blowing the wet heavy 5 1/2 inch snow last night, what a blast.

 

New tires are a must, the old carlisles are worn.

 

Glenn

[timo4352 147]

Myself, I would not go overboard on width. Narrower tires up front steer easier. I went with 8 inch wheels up front instead of the sixes. And I have two sets of rear - one wider than the others - and I prefer the narrower ones. Plus my chains only fit the narrow ones.

But there are some cool wider tires out there... to each his own. Good luck.

[JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,499]

Myself, I would not go overboard on width. Narrower tires up front steer easier. I went with 8 inch wheels up front instead of the sixes. And I have two sets of rear - one wider than the others - and I prefer the narrower ones. Plus my chains only fit the narrow ones.

But there are some cool wider tires out there... to each his own. Good luck.

thanks tim, i think a inch would suffice, not sure yet. thats why I am idea searching. After all, its hard to argue with whats been done and proven. Maybe even the ag tires for me, no chains required. one gent, I think martid had pics of his sons re done tractor. What a beauty it was, and he said that the ag tires his son put on gave a great smooth ride.

I put a awfull lot of faith in what you folks post, after all I am a wheel horse virgin. lol.

 

Glenn

[sorekiwi 761]

2 sets - skinny for the winter, fat for the summer.

 

Turf tires + chains + weight on 8.5 rims and 4.00 -8 tri-ribs for winter grip.

 

Ag's on 10.5" rims for summer posing.  Plus 4.00 -8 tri-ribs, because tractors are supposed to have skinny tri-ribs year round. 

[Sparky-(Admin) 23,158]

  I have run 8.50 AG's and was never very impressed with them even with wheel weights. I went with these and they have been fantastic!! I used them just this weekend for snow removal with a 48" plow and I also spread and leveled around ten yards of fill and another five yards of topsoil this past year......NO ISSUES! I have 75#'s on each rim and do not run chains.

  These are 23x10.50's on the wide rims (pulled off a GT-1848) but they come in a smaller width for the rims on your 416. I had a tire shop stick em on and they way overfilled them so they look a bit "balloonish" (is that even a word?), but once I aired them down they sat nice and flat.

 

 

Mike......

[sorekiwi 761]

What brand are they Mike? 

 

I do like the look of them, and I wonder how much difference new, soft rubber makes as opposed to the hard, 30 or 40 year old turfs I always end up using.

[Sparky-(Admin) 23,158]

What brand are they Mike? 

 

I do like the look of them, and I wonder how much difference new, soft rubber makes as opposed to the hard, 30 or 40 year old turfs I always end up using.

Carlisle All-Trails. I also believe that old rubber gets hard and lessens traction.

 

Mike.............

[JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,499]

Mike.

That 23 X 10 - 12 seems to be the smallest size. Might have been 10.50...can't remember. Old age coming in fast. Tread pattern looks great. Not good. Great. I am just guessing but I think they would fit my rims. Would be nice to match patterns for the front. Uniformity. Maybe???? Ty for pics. Your torturing me. A fwiw...been cling weights. I might try to find suit case weights. Thanks again.

Glenn

[JackC 617]

I am a purest and usually stick with the original tread designs but I do like the look of the wider wheels and tires for mowing and most other yard duties that do not require aggressive tread designs for traction.  I would put the 10.5 wide original design turf tires on the 520H deep dish 8.5 wide wheels for your 416-8.  If the fronts are 6 inch diameter wheels I would move up to 8 inch with the same tread design as the original from the factory.  The rear would look like the back of my 520HC in the first pic below.  

 

The ags look cool but I would only use them when ground conditions and the need for traction drives their use.  Narrower tires provide more traction in the winter because there is more pounds per sq inch of contact with the ground.  You can use your stock 8.5 wide tires in the winter with chains on (and keep the chains on) and use the wider 10.5 wide tires during the other seasons.  The 10.5s may work fine with chains on also but you may need extra weight in the back.  

 

Of coarse, if you are like some of us you will have some tractors with ags and some without,  I have a 416H with ATV tires that worked well when blowing snow in the winter.  See last two pics.  If you have a black top or cement driveway do not get the chains with the cleats because they will chew up the pavement.  I have several tractors, plows and blowers but I prefer to keep my beauties in the barn over the winter and I use my walk behind Ariens 1034 two stage, along with a couple of different configuration shovels.  I get plenty of seat time with my Wheel Horses during the other three seasons.

 

 

 

 

 

[JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,499]

Jack. Thanks for your input. Appreciated. Last night when snowblower the wet heavy 5 1/2 inch slop. I was very surprised how the tractor marched through it. No weights. No chains. When I got to the end by the street. The last 40 ft run I would guess the rise is 3 to 4 ft. To my surprise the tractor stopped rear wheels slipping. Only once. I said to myself wow. Unreal. The snow blower was very adequate. But the point was. The tractor made it. No assistance by weight or chains. Surprise me at best. Didn't use the walk behind. Didn't use the Jeep and plow. I really like the older horse. Don't know what I will do with tires and chains yet. But Jack thanks for the input.

Glenn

[JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,499]

Ready for more action.

[JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,499]

A good. Cleaning after battle.

[JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,499]

jack, what size meat is on the rear of pic 1?  I mean those babies are widddddde. Looks good. I can see this will take me time to pick. ty

 

Glenn

[Ken B 3,189]

My 854 with snow blade mounted has 23-8.50 ags on back, no chains, no weights = not so good on pavement, especially with the slightest incline. It is what I expected it to be.

The 854 has Tri-Rib tires up front and I must say it steers excellent, easier to steer and less sliding.

I liked the tri ribs on the 854 so much that I'm going to get a set for the front of my 417 which tends to slide quite a bit.

 

I like the looks of wide tires myself, for the summer only though. It sounds as though you did ok as far as traction went yesterday but conditions change with every storm and I wouldn't expect the same results every time out there. One reason the smaller tractors (round hoods etc.) push snow so well is because of the 6x12 rear tire size they came with. The larger the tire you put on the larger the snow shoe you now have, and we all know what snow shoes are good for....

[Racinbob 11,931]

I had the 23-8.5 ags on my 854. They looked like the perfect size for that tractor. I'm getting serious about 23-10.5 ags on my 05 Classic GT. I need to check the wheel width better. It's a bit difficult with the tire on and mounted to the tractor. A quick check says they are wider than 7" so I'm thinking 8". Fuel tank and fender clearance look fine. There's a steep hill heading down to the lake and the ags would help mowing it.

[Sparky-(Admin) 23,158]

Mike.

That 23 X 10 - 12 seems to be the smallest size. Might have been 10.50...can't remember. Old age coming in fast. Tread pattern looks great. Not good. Great. I am just guessing but I think they would fit my rims. Would be nice to match patterns for the front. Uniformity. Maybe???? Ty for pics. Your torturing me. A fwiw...been cling weights. I might try to find suit case weights. Thanks again.

Glenn

Hmmm....I thought they came in a narrower width. I will say this tho, the price has increased. I swear I paid around $85 each with free shipping (and no sales tax) but just went to the website where I bought em and they are now just over $103 each!!

 

http://stopandgotires.com/index.asp

 

Mike.....

[JackC 617]

Glenn, Those are the original 23X10.5X12 Carlisle turf saver tires that came on the 1989 520HC.  The wheels are the 12 X 8.5 wide with silver paint.  The narrower 23X8.5X12 tires usually come on 12X7.0 wide wheels.  Some people try to mount the wider tires on the narrower wheels but they will not look the same.  The wider rear wheels and tires should fit on the 416-8 with no clearance issues. Jack