kloe0699 12 #1 Posted June 2, 2012 My 417-A has had some serious toe-out issues since I brought it home. I have been researching posts for a while now and today I tried the swapping sides trick and that made it worse. That lead me to thinking how do tie rods change lengths over time to begin with? I looked into the stens tie rods and they are the same overall length as mine, do they adjust out more than that to fix a toe-out problem? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowtiebutler956 650 #2 Posted June 2, 2012 I don't think tie rods change change length, and they definitely don't get shorter unless bent. Is there any chance the arms coming off the spindles have gotten bent? Matt :flags-texas: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
varosd 1,185 #3 Posted June 2, 2012 perhaps the wheel bearings? mine wore out and (gasp!) the wheel got all wanky as I was mowing and lucky I had a spare bearing! I jacked up the axel on right there on the yard and switched it out! :rolleyes: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smoreau 658 #4 Posted June 2, 2012 Had the same issue with my dads c81. I found out after fixing it with some new tie rod ends from TSC and some 7/16 all thread rod that my nephew hit a tree a week earlier. I think the spinal bent. I kept the old tie rods for future use as I can adjust these very easy and I can't get over to ma dads to cut the grass all the time, so my nephew will still be using the tractor and will most likely hit something else. :banghead: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kloe0699 12 #5 Posted June 3, 2012 I don't think tie rods change change length, and they definitely don't get shorter unless bent. Is there any chance the arms coming off the spindles have gotten bent? Matt When you put the 2 tie rods together it's easy to rule out either of them are bent as the lay next to each other perfectly. The spindle arms were another guess. It's hard to tell though. I will throw different ones on and see what happens. The po could have ran into something. Don, the bearings are not as snug as new but they aren't bad enough to throw it this far out! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cole 25 #6 Posted June 3, 2012 I don't think tie rods change change length, and they definitely don't get shorter unless bent. Is there any chance the arms coming off the spindles have gotten bent? Matt Matt, i dont think the arms coming off the spindles could have gotten bent because they are 1/2 in thick. i cant believe how much force it would take to bend those but if its a HARD worker that could be the problem but like Don said about the bearings, you would think they would crack or wear out before the spindle arms broke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Callen 64 #7 Posted June 3, 2012 If you don't have excessive wear where the spindle goes through the axle, you can twist the pitman arm on the spindle to get some of the toe out of it. You would be surprized at what little effort it takes to bend them. Is there any excessive camber? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kloe0699 12 #8 Posted June 3, 2012 Its a one owner with 282 hours on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 43,939 #9 Posted June 3, 2012 I've seen the welds on the spindles crack before. Had a 314-A that had the front tires going all over the place. The cracks are hard to see. It's the weld that holds the tie rod attaching arm on to the spindle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boovuc 1,090 #10 Posted June 4, 2012 Did the PM have a Front End Loader on this tractor at one time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
