markjs 2 #1 Posted May 20, 2012 Can someone help me figure out which tractor I have? It's a D200 but i can find no id tag anywhere on it, not that I know where to look. Where is it normally? Also it has an unusual motion control lever configuration- or at least I haven't seen one like it. I attached a pic- does it look familiar to anyone? Thanks in advance for any info. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trouty56 567 #2 Posted May 21, 2012 That is a common configuration for the control lever.....back and up is reverse...back and down is park (which should only be used when the tractor has come to a stop). The brake pedal should return the motion lever to neutral position. Looks like there is not much wear on that area...what does the rest of the tractor look like?? Welcome to the forum... :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1maidenfan 202 #3 Posted May 21, 2012 My D200 has that on it also, but has a cover plate on the bottom( back and down) always wondered what that was Had no idea it was the "park" setting as mine has the brake lever on the lower dash panel. P.S. also :wwp: :ROTF: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bewford 21 #4 Posted May 21, 2012 if the ID tag is still there it should be on the panel (where the parking brake lever sticks through) below the control panel (ignition switch, lift controls, etc) its usually up kinda high Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 617 #5 Posted May 21, 2012 If the ID tag is missing the engine model and serial numbers might help to identify the year. If the decals and seat are original they also provide clues as to the year. I just bought a 1977 D-160 that was advertised as a 1971. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheeledhorseman 579 #6 Posted May 21, 2012 :text-welcomewave: to the forum markjs, and to the many variations, mysteries and occasional dysfuntionality that is the world of the 'D'. Plenty of guys here to help out. It would be nice to see some photos of the tractor - we do love to see photos of a 'D' - it's all useful reference material. Andy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markjs 2 #7 Posted May 22, 2012 Thanks guys for the warm welcome . Ok so there's no ID tag- I can see holes where it must have been riveted but that's it. The engine is a K532 but the serial is unreadable (I'm hoping i can read it with a good magnifying glass but I don't have one). I'm attaching a pic of the seat. As far as pictures it's already partially disassembled because I'm planning to take it down to the frame and repaint everything and I didn't take any before I started, but I'll be sure to take some when it's finished. I also plan to rebuild the engine while I'm at it or at least check the bore/pistons/rods/crank and make sure it's up to specs. Trouty the tractor seems to be in fairly good condition as far as I know- I've had it for a couple years and have mowed with it a fair amount. The wiring has gone to pot and the steering's very loose but otherwise I think it's pretty sound. It has 1009 hrs on the meter but I don't even know if it works. Also Trouty how is that park position supposed to work? The linkage on it moves the exact same in the bottom "park" slot as in the top "reverse" one except the brake does kick it back to neutral. Oh and one more thing- the fuel tank on mine is shorter than that on most of the pictures of Ds i've seen. You can barely see it in the picture. Does that help narrow down the year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 617 #8 Posted May 22, 2012 I believe the last year that style seat was used was 1975 or 1976. My 1975 C-160 has the same two piece seat. My 1977 D-160 has a one piece seat. If that is the original seat (which is likely) then your tractor is not a 1977 or newer. I believe 1974 was the first year of the D-200 (20 HP) so that would make it a 1974, 1975, or 1976. The earlier D's had 3/4" spindles on the front and then later they switched to 1". I don't recall which year it was they made the change. My 1977 has 1" spindles. What size are yours? The D-200 had the tall tank and the D-160 and D-180 had the shorter tanks so your original tall tank was apparently replaced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 617 #9 Posted May 22, 2012 The K532 was used in 1974 and 1975. The K532S was used in 1976. If your is K532 and not K532S, then that would narrow it down to 1974 or 1975. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheeledhorseman 579 #10 Posted May 22, 2012 I believe the last year that style seat was used was 1975 or 1976. My 1975 C-160 has the same two piece seat. My 1977 D-160 has a one piece seat. Can confirm that my 1977 D-200 had the original seat when I got it - and as you say it was the standard one piece seat. Andy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markjs 2 #11 Posted May 22, 2012 Thanks for the info Jack. Actually the motor is a K532S. I just realized I put K532 and was going to correct it when i saw your last post. So does that make it a '76? and just out of curiosity what is different about the "S" variant? As to the spindles i've never paid attention but i'll check. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 617 #12 Posted May 22, 2012 The seat and K532S narrows it down to 1976. I don't know what the S stands for but here is a link to the service manual for the K532 if you don't already have it. http://www.mywheelhorse.com/graphics/file/Engines/Kohler_K482-532-582-662_en_607_SM.pdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trouty56 567 #13 Posted May 22, 2012 Well it is hard to explain how the linkage works for the motion/brake combo lever. My guess is that it had a big failure rate and a lot of them were changed to the dash brake. My 74 has the same seat as yours.... sent via mobile.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markjs 2 #14 Posted May 22, 2012 Ok thanks fellows. I can already see this site is going to be alot of help and I'm just getting started. Trouty that makes sense if it was changed because I do have the dash brake and I can't see how the linkage as it is could possibly do anything other than just put the hydro in reverse. So they probably just changed the linkage and didn't get around to the cover plate for the slot. Do I understand you right that with the original setup that bottom slot simply locks the brake pedal same as the dash knob? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trouty56 567 #15 Posted May 23, 2012 Yes... the linkage drops out of the motion part and inserts into a slot that engages a rod to the parking pawl on the tranny. My D series' control still works as it should and engages the pawl good. sent via mobile.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamesBe1 84 #16 Posted May 24, 2012 Welcome to the forum Mark. I have the same control lever slot on one of my D's. Do yourself a favor and forget about the parking brake. Never ever use it. The parking pawl in the gear box is known to break and then cause major destruction of the tranny. Post lots of pics, it will help to identify it better. You never know what minor piece of info you will capture in a pic that will help you. There is a lot of knowledge and experience on this site (excepting myself), and people here are glad to help. BTW, there should be manual for it in the files section. If you can't find what you want, just ask and someone should be able to point you in the right direction. James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheeledhorseman 579 #17 Posted May 24, 2012 Yes, some photos would be nice and some info about it would be interesting. Is it fully functional or a resto project Mark? There is a lot of knowledge and experience on this site (excepting myself), and people here are glad to help. Second that but James is being a little modest here I think. Were just a bunch of guy's who've come together as a mutual kind of self-help and sharing information group for our 'D' projects. I wouldn't be where I am today with my project without the help and info provided by others including James. Andy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamesBe1 84 #18 Posted May 24, 2012 Yes, some photos would be nice and some info about it would be interesting. Is it fully functional or a resto project Mark? There is a lot of knowledge and experience on this site (excepting myself), and people here are glad to help. Second that but James is being a little modest here I think. Were just a bunch of guy's who've come together as a mutual kind of self-help and sharing information group for our 'D' projects. I wouldn't be where I am today with my project without the help and info provided by others including James. Andy More like a 12-step program for the disfunctional D-Series folks! Sorry, couldn't help myself. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markjs 2 #19 Posted May 27, 2012 Hey guys thanks again for the warm welcome and the help. I'm sure I'll be needing plenty of advice as I go along. James I already have the manual for the tractor as well as for the engine. Andy it was functional- it's been several years since I used it but I last had it running about a yr and a half ago to move it. But to start it I had to hook up a battery to the ignition and then jump to the starter to start it. . . you get the picture. The wiring is gone and the brakes don't work, it needs a paint job and decals. Not too big a project. Anyway I decided to take it down to the frame and completely restore it as well as going through the engine while I'm at it. So it's a work in progress- I have it partially disassembled right now so pics won't be much. James- is the black grill on your D original? Mine is black but most of the ones I've seen are red so I figured someone changed it. But noticed yours is black so wondered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamesBe1 84 #20 Posted May 27, 2012 Hi Mark. Glad to see that you are progressing. Remember to take tons of pictures along the way. You never knew when one of them will save you a lot of aggravation in the future (hard learned lesson from experience there). I don't know what color the grill originally was. My tractor had several layers of paint. Even a tacky blue color. I took a lot of it down to bar metal. I honestly don't remember what the bottom color of paint was, but if I had to guess, I'd say red. I don't think the D's came with black grills from the factory. At least that is what our fellow members here tell me. But since one of my layers of paint on the grill was black, I went with that. Just a rattle can of glossy black paint. I have to add that I like it much better than the red grill. I think a few other members have noted that as well. I think there are a few pics of the grill being redone in my gallery album. James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheeledhorseman 579 #21 Posted May 27, 2012 Mark, you have an advantage there in that you know the history of the tractor so you shouldn't be discovering too many surprises if any. So it's a work in progress- I have it partially disassembled right now so pics won't be much. You'd perhaps be surprised how much we've picked up and learned from each other from the photos of the 'D' restos that have been going on recently. Don't be shy, post some photos of the bits you're working on as you go along. We're here to learn as well as offer help and advice if it's needed. Look forward to see some pics of your 'work in progress'. It's an RS thing! As I have a D-200 I'll be interested to see what's the same and what's different as there seem to be variations from year to year even with the exact same model. Andy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markjs 2 #22 Posted June 2, 2012 Ok so does anyone know what the model # should be for this tractor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamesBe1 84 #23 Posted June 2, 2012 You can use the advanced search in the toro master parts viewer to narrow down a part number. A 1976 D-200 comes back as either a 61-20KS01 of a 61-20KS02 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markjs 2 #24 Posted June 3, 2012 Thanks James- I hadn't fooled with the parts viewer yet but i'm learning. :grin: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
