need pics

[Cole 25]

hey guys can one of you give me some pics of the linkages on a 10 hp kohler (k241).

[rmaynard 16,452]

Which linkage do you need pictures of?

[Cole 25]

the throttle linkages on the engine (where the cable holder goes).

[rmaynard 16,452]

Hope this is what you are looking for. This is the throttle cable routing. If you need the governor linkage, let me know.

The throttle cable comes across the PTO side of the engine, under the exhaust and behind the governor arm,

Attaches to the clamp and runs in front of the rod that connects the throttle speed control to the arm on the blower housing,

Continues down and the wire attaches to the screw on the arm mounted on the blower cover.

[tunahead72 2,558]

Does it matter what model tractor we're looking at? The reason I ask is that the throttle cables on both of my K241 engines are routed around the flywheel side (C-105 & 310-8). Course, I can't promise that's the way they're SUPPOSED to be. :dunno:

[Kelly 1,033]

The choke cable goes down under the blower housing and up to the choke, the throttle cable goes like was posted, but the clamp set up on the end can be another style, with a post/stud sticking out from the middle of the breather cover, with a clamp on the end.

[Martin 2,133]

like previously mentioned theres more than one way to skin a cat......er i mean run a throttle cable. i guess it all depends on the model. i have 2 different ones, both on k241s. the 1054 goes from the dash, down and across the back of the engine to the left side, under the blower housing and is attached to a pivot on the blower housing. the 1057 goes from the dash, around the right side under the exhaust to the pivot on the blower housing. the 1057 outer cable is clamped at the breather stud like kelly mentioned. the 1054 outer cable is clamped at the blower housing just below the pivot.

1054 k 241 throttle cable.

1057.....still looking for a pic. will take one of the 1277 (same parts) tomorrow if i remember.

[Cole 25]

Thanks for the replies guys i got the throttle cables done with your help but now where does the choke cable mounting bracket mount on the engine.

[Cole 25]

anyone???

[rmaynard 16,452]

Okay. Here are two pics. The first is the choke wire coming up from under the blower housing. The next shows the wire in the clamp which is attached to the rear mounting bolt for the coil clamp.

[Cole 25]

ohhhh thank you so much i can finally get off the couch and do something. :) :bow-blue: P.S. your engines look great guys (i bet they sound great too).

[JP56 42]

On 12/30/2011 at 3:10 PM, rmaynard said:

Hope this is what you are looking for. This is the throttle cable routing. If you need the governor linkage, let me know.

 

The throttle cable comes across the PTO side of the engine, under the exhaust and behind the governor arm,

 

 

Attaches to the clamp and runs in front of the rod that connects the throttle speed control to the arm on the blower housing,

 

 

 

Continues down and the wire attaches to the screw on the arm mounted on the blower cover.

 

In the first pic, I have that mounting strap to the left, and where the cable goes around the corner of the engine, that is where the heat has kicked the crap out of the cable, same thing where the governor arm rubs against it.

In the second pic, mine is MISSING the mounting tab and hold down clamp. I have to check and see it there is a bolt hole there, then see if I cam make some kind of bracket for that if there is a hole to attach it to.

In the third pic, I guess that is where the 2 cables cross over the governor rod?

In the fourth pic, the pivot point on mine had been bent outward from the engine at the bottom, and the holding bolt had evidently been broken off the tab and someone Rube Goldbergh'd it !

Had a lot of rain here over night & everything is drenched, & unfortunately I have been working on it outside & looks like more rain to come today, but I am going to go up there now & take some picks

 

[JP56 42]

here are pics of what I am working with. They pretty much show what was done to it before I purchased it.

You can see where:

Pic 1) The cables had been routed 2 different way thru the fuel tank tray. Would like to know which way is correct, thru the slots or thru the holes. You can see how the throttle cable was bent up pretty good having been routed thru the hole before. I find it funny how the cables do not line up with either the Slots or the Holes though. Would just like to know which way is the right way.

Pic 2)  All of the cable clamps & some of the brackets are missing except for the one holding the choke cable.

Pic 3)  No matter which way I try routing the throttle cable around the engine to the pivot plate it either lays against the engine (note the frying on the covering) or rubs against other moving parts & interferes with the rod & spring movement.

Pic 4)  The manuals show the bracket on the left marked as "Full Throttle Stop". This bracket has a hole in it but I can't tell if it is threaded for a bolt or not, so I don't know if a bracket or clip is missing from it. To the right of it is a hole threaded for a 10-24 bolt. Not sure what, if anything is supposed to go there, but              I used it for the clip to hold the new wire from the coil to the points which I replaced because it was roasted, cracked & flopping around. 

Pic 5 & 6) Show the Pivot lever for the throttle cable attaching point and the governor connecting rod assembly. The right side bracket is the one I mentioned had been bent out away from the cover at the top & bottom ( I am guessing, to make clearance for the Rube Goldberg set up for the throttle cable).

Pic 6)  Also shows the fastening bolt for the breather & valve access cover. It just doesn't seem to look right to me & I thing it was adapted by a previous owner for some reason. I think it may have possibly been for a missing bracket & fastening clip for the throttle cable?

 

As of right now, I am trying to figure out How & Where to make & put some kind of brackets with cable clamps to keep the cable ridged enough to operate the throttle properly. We all know how hard it is to hold the cable firmly from moving when working by our self with only 2 hands, while also trying to operate the lever, hold the cable and lean over far enough to watch if it works properly or not. 

 

Hopefully someone here can tell me what all is missing and where I could possibly find the replacements for them, or if they have any they would care to part with by selling them to me! By the way, Robert I ordered a new brake Liner from you last night! The one on mine is so old & worn & has broken loose from the band & is just spinning inside the band & jamming.

[JP56 42]

On 1/2/2012 at 9:09 PM, rmaynard said:

Okay. Here are two pics. The first is the choke wire coming up from under the blower housing. The next shows the wire in the clamp which is attached to the rear mounting bolt for the coil clamp.

 

 

Bob, these are 2 great pics of a beautiful tractor, and somewhat helpful as were the others that you sent to me, but I would really love to see and also would very much appreciate a look at what is behind the air filter housing & the left topside of the engine at where exactly that throttle cable wrap around the corner and goes down diagonally to that pivot point! I bet it would be a real easy to see pic with all that fresh red paint behind everything!  Is this one something you own, or is it someone else's ? I'd love to see pics of the whole thing! It looks fantastic!  That pivot point is really a mess on mine & I just noticed tis one has 3 holes in it, so now I have to check mine & see if it has 2 or 3 holes because mine has the rod all the way at the top end hole & on mine it fits real sloppy like the hole it's in is too big or just badly worn.

Edited November 1, 2022 by JP56

[JP56 42]

UPATE & Naturally, More Questions 

I did get my C-100 rewired & Started up about 6pm tonight, but I had some engine missing, erratic idling, a few backfires, and I did the first start with the muffler still off it, & I had a few flames shooting out the muffler nipple during the back firing before I put the muffler back on it. I really am getting desperate to see a few more different pics of several different people's throttle/governor hook ups, as well as which holes the connecting spring is hooked to on the governor end and the center pivot bracket under the breather cover. Mine was originally hooked in the 2nd hole Up from the Bottom on the governor arm, and the 2nd hole Down from the Top on the center pivot lever. rmaynard posted some really good pics, but I can't really see the detail I need to see.

 

I had a very hard time getting the points to set at .20 because either the points base, or the OEM bracket it screws on to must be bent or something, just not sure. Also thinking possibly my points could be causing the missing/back firing since there is no distributor on these for timing them.

 

I am pretty sure my problems are in that setup, & I also would really like to see that other part at the bottom of the governor that some may have on your governor as well where the cable does not go across the front of the engine to the other side. I took a close look at the one clam & bracket mounted between my gas tank & the PTO swing bracket today & finally realized it was most likely a home made replacement as it was made from a strip about 5/8 wide x 3" long very thin, soft flexible metal. I am going to replace it with a piece of flat bar stock I have. Also wish I could find a few of the OE style Strap Clamps that lock the cable down tight, the kind with a tiny tab that goes into a hole & then the screw hole is in the center then the 1/2 circle end. All I can seem to find anyplace is the loop type which only holds the cable but not lock it down. I have no idea what exactly they are called but no matter how I search for them I come up empty. Very frustrating.

 

I also made a 1/4-20 grade 6 stud & put t in place of the bolt that holds the throttle pivot to the block between the bottom of the governor pivot bracket (with the spring & adjusting holes on it) then used a 1/4-20 x 1/7" long threaded rod connector & put a strap clamp on to the end of that to hold the cable before it goes to the attaching point on the throttle cable connecting lever on the right side on the engine shroud under the coil. 

 

Other then that, I am now searching for a replacement spring for my clutch, then have to change that & re-adjust the clutch. When I got the tractor, the original spring had the end snapped off it & the broken end had been pulled thru the hole & bent over so it would stay. It worked when I got it, but it would act up (Having the same problem on my 312-8 as well since the day I got it!) changing gears sometimes, & right now it wants to grind them all the time when trying to shift it. The spring feels very soft/weak to me as well but I also saw discussion about the sizing of the Toro 108035 replacement spring replacing the OEM Wheel Horse Spring 1014 not being the same size, and I also noticed it seems to come in a multi-pack of 5 springs. Anyone have first hand experience with these spring replacements?

 

Sure hope you folks can help me out here! Thanks much.

 

[Jeff-C175 7,206]

I didn't read in detail, but I believe this is what you are looking for pictures of.  You may be missing the L-bracket that goes on the stud holding the valve cover in place.

 

 

 

 

 

[Jeff-C175 7,206]

2 hours ago, JP56 said:

there is no distributor on these for timing them

 

No, but there are timing marks on the flywheel that are visible through the hole in the blower housing below the coil.  There's a "T" and and "S" mark.  You want to set up so the points just open / close at the "S" mark.

 

One usually has to take the blower housing off to find them, wire brush them, then put a dot of white paint on them (I use "Wite-Out" or a silver permanent marker) to see them through the hole.  You can use a timing light once you can see the marks, but I use a multimeter on the points to tell when they just open and close.  Norman at "I Save Tractors" has a YouTube video showing how to use the multimeter.

 

 

2 hours ago, JP56 said:

which holes the connecting spring is hooked to on the governor end and the center pivot bracket under the breather cover

 

I believe the 'standard' starting point is the 3rd hole from the top on the governor bracket, and the 2nd hole from the top on the other end.  I had to move mine down 1 hole to make it a bit more sensitive as when I loaded the engine it would slow down.  It's a 'trial and error' thing... 

 

 

I believe that small clamp is this part number:

 

Kohler Parts 235778-S Clamp cable 

 

Parts houses are sure proud of that part!  This is about the cheapest I could find and RCPW is reputable.

https://www.rcpw.com/kohler-235778-s-clamp/

 

 

Edited November 4, 2022 by Jeff-C175

[JP56 42]

1 hour ago, Jeff-C175 said:

I didn't read in detail, but I believe this is what you are looking for pictures of.  You may be missing the L-bracket that goes on the stud holding the valve cover in place.

 

 

 

 

 

You nailed it Jeff! That was never there at all when I brought it so I will make one to morrow, but I can't find those clamp down clips or anything like them anywhere, just the loop type which do not CLAMP anything! Very frustrating.

[Jeff-C175 7,206]

8 minutes ago, JP56 said:

can't find

 

You saw the end of my second post, yes?

 

Almost $9 for that silly clip, but if ya need it... They got ya over a barrel I guess!

 

I believe I would try to fabricate that myself.

 

 

[JP56 42]

56 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

You saw the end of my second post, yes?

 

Almost $9 for that silly clip, but if ya need it... They got ya over a barrel I guess!

 

I believe I would try to fabricate that myself.

 

 

I was replying to your prior post when I heard a noise, then saw this one! Man my head is spinning from the prices all these gougers are charging for 1 clip! I need at least 2 so guess I just need to bend over for them. Worst part is, it is just the 1/2" long clips I need! I can make the dam brackets myself out of some flat 1/8" structural bar stock I have. I just wish you were the first reply to these posts, lmao I could have gotten to where I am now a lot quicker! I just ordered some clip/clamps from parts tree. They were under 10 bucks each & they claim the fastest delivery. Now I just need to get the clutch spring. I guess today I will be removing everything AGAIN now to find those marks on the flywheel & clean them up & mess with the points again.