20hp 416H

[buzzerka 0]

g'day guys, might seem like a stupid question, but did all 416H come out with 16hp engines because mines got a 20hp onan in it?.

i'm trying to find a rough serial number\year for it so I can order some parts. but i can't seem to find any 416H with the 20hp onan.

maybe it was an australian thing

you can see where the previous owner has removed the sticker

has got the toro stickers on it, maybe that will narrow it down?

[Stigian 1,234]

By the sounds of it someone in the past has swapped out the 16hp for a 20hp.. That's not a bad power upgrade :dunno:

[buzzerka 0]

photos

well I think it's factory. or he's done a good job of the engine transplant and an absolute horrid job of everything else he's touched.

is it def a 400 series?

[buzzerka 0]

carb's off. it's an ONAN thing, as you probably well no. :dunno:

[Stigian 1,234]

The engine transplant would of been a bolt on swap, which make for a "factory" to the swap..

At a guess the "horrid swap bit" is the wiring?

Onan powered Wheel Horses seem to have a few wiring problems, from what I've read the wiring connector plugs always give problems..

It's hard to tell which model it is with all the decals missing, is the chassis number decal readable under the seat?

[buzzerka 0]

nah, it's gone alltogether. you can see where it used to be.

"horrid bits?" eg. electric fuel pump conversion,he's decided on NEW fuel line. drilled through the rear pan AND fuel tank to bolt said pump next to seat, hooked that sucker up to the light switch. NICE.

diaphram pump had a bit of grass stuck in it.

the dude got very inventive with fencing wire, not an original pin, ect on it. all fencing wire and nails ect.

but yep your right, wiring is shot. need to get this season out of it first before I tidy her up.

only got 1000hrs on it and by the way that Onan is running, I'd say it has done most if not all of them.

Gotta keep this one runnin so I can rebuild my kohler in my 312-8, which has a 10 piece rod and exploded grenade gears atm. :dunno:

[Stigian 1,234]

Just a thought here... Should a 416 of had a single cylinder Kohler from the factory?

[Hydro 131]

Where do you live?

[Rollerman 290]

is it def a 400 series?

Looking at the front wheels/tires it could be a 300 series, you don't see the small wheels on the 416's much.

Like Ian mentioned the Onans were used in many Wheel Horse models (416, 516, 518, 520 to name some) so the parts are available to swap an Onan on to about any Wheel Horse frame & look factory.

Should a 416 of had a single cylinder Kohler from the factory

Ian the 416 was introduced in 85 & had a K 341 Kohler back in the day, eventully going to the Magnum 16 Kohler & the later models useing the Onan 16HP twin till the model was discontinued.

By the way Buzzerka thats a nice looking "shee" in the background, brings back memories of one I used to have. :dunno:

[zieg72 209]

Its a Johnny Cash tractor, got newer sheet metal too.

[TT-(Moderator) 1,162]

It looks just like my 1990 416-H (41-16OE01) used to ~ except for the newer hood & older steering wheel. (could have been rolled over?)

From the 1990 brochure:

It could also be a 312-H from about that same time period. The Onan is a bolt-on on all of those tractors - IF you have all of the pieces.

[buzzerka 0]

cheers for the replys.

I live in victoria, bottom bit of australia. Who knows, maybe some weird arse mix of parts, and they just thought, "stuff it, we'll send that one to Aus.

the reason I thought it was original is because there's stuff all wheelhorse/toro's over here. they come up every now and then but you've really got to be looking for them.

Maybe has been repowered, dunno, guess I'll never know cuase my stickers gone.

If I were to look up parts for this beast, could I just use the model name 416H, and pretty much pick any year? did they change at all from year to year?

obviously motor parts I would use the motor id.

cheers rollerman, that shee's tryin to kill me , between that and the horses I am broke LOL.

BTW everyone, so Jealous there's no roundhoods over here I would give my left nut for one

[buzzerka 0]

where's the difference in the hood? To my untrained eye they look the same

[Aussie 98]

Hi buzzerka, welcome to Red Square. You will find a lot of friendly, helpful and knowledgable people on here.

The engine appears to have "Onan Performer 20" decals on the ends which indicates it is an earlier model. The later ones had "Toro Power Plus 20" on the air cleaner cover. I would think around 1989 would be close enough for parts lookup, the Onan's didn't change a lot between years. The hood is 1990 or later, that is when the Toro and black stripe decals started. Up to 1989 they had the maroon and silver stripe Wheel Horse decal like your 312-8. The classic series were also a somewhat limited edition so that could help identify the year of the hood. I think the unit is a 400 series, it isn't a 500 because the dash is different and an early 300 would have an Eaton 700, whereas yours has the superior 1100 trans. As mentioned previously the 6" front wheels are an anomaly, I don't think they were ever fitted to 400's. So it could be a bitza but has the makings of a good strong tractor.

If you are after parts, I have found Jack's Small Engines in the US to have reasonable prices and are happy to ship to Australia, some US vendors won't deal with overseas buyers.

I am in South Australia and just finishing up the rebuild of my 416-8 which came from near Frankston. Next I am going to freshen up my 312A. I also have three 520's - one from Kinglake, another from Ballarat and the third I found in SA. Most of the Wheel Horses appear to be in Victoria, then NSW and QLD. After that they are very thin on the ground. I haven't found anything earlier than mid 80's as yet.

Fencing wire is a beautiful thing, this country would fall apart without it. :dunno:

[oldnugly 2]

Hey Buzzerka! welcome to Red Square. The members on here have a fantastic knowledge of the Horses and they'll bust their bums to help out another fan.

With their help you'll get that mystery machine running like a top. Keep us posted.

You say you're in Victoria state. Our dear friends live there too. They're in Egerton about 90 mins. northwest of downtown Melbourne.

[kpinnc 14,697]

It may not have been a complete engine swap, but rather just an engine sheet metal switch. The Onan P216, P218, and P220 engines are identical in most ways, right down to the bore and stroke.

My 518-H has an air cleaner from a 520-H on it, and a few other items from a P220. Pretty hard to distinguish any differences between the two.

I think the unit is a 400 series, it isn't a 500 because the dash is different and an early 300 would have an Eaton 700, whereas yours has the superior 1100 trans. As mentioned previously the 6" front wheels are an anomaly, I don't think they were ever fitted to 400's. So it could be a bitza but has the makings of a good strong tractor.

TT's 416-H pic above has 6-inch wheels on it, and I have one that is the same way from the factory. Many of the 400-series (domestic) tractors had 6-inch wheels up front, as well as the 316 (European) export versions. Wheel Horse constantly broke their own rules with the naming schemes over the years.

[buzzerka 0]

been trying to get back on, but getting 404 error recently.

You say you're in Victoria state. Our dear friends live there too. They're in Egerton about 90 mins. northwest of downtown Melbourne.

A couple of hours away from me I'm right in the NE part of the state, 3hrs from melbourne. Just far enough, not a fan of citys.

Thanks for the help so far gents, much appreiated.

Thanks for the tip about jacks engine parts "aussie" that's the sort of things I need to know. Strange how you can get something shipped half way across the world and still get it at least 1/2 the price than over here. 9 times out of 10 quicker as well.

Bought some parts of "onanparts" just before your recommendation, but will try jacks next time (I'm shore there will be a next time)

cheers.

[can whlvr 994]

i wonder if those 400,s with the 6 inch rims had the smaller deck that hit the wheels with 8 inch rims,i forget if its the 36 or 37,one of the 2,just a thought

[buzzerka 0]

this one's got a 48 side discharge.

[ericj 1,579]

the tractor is probably a 90 or 91 the red letters on the hood is 91 and white letters is a 90. the 6" tire were used i believe to lessen the price of the tractors.i've seen 8 sp and hydro tractors with them on. i have a 90 416h with 6" front tires that has been used and abused, i call it my ugly tractor.running board has been bent down and the hood had something square dropped on the hood and put a square corner hole in the hood plus some black paint sprayed on it, plus a fair amount of rust. but the tractor runs real good motor and trans. the 16 horse has a smaller bore than the 20. i'am sure there is some way to tell the blocks apart, but i'am not aware of it some on here should know how to tell the difference. all sheet metal would inter change between the 16 and 20, hope this help you some. the 6" tire were fore the 2 bladed 37" deck they supposedly rubbed the 8" tires