520-H Ideas Motion Lever

[HorseFixer 2,013]

I dont know about you guys but I dont like the motion control lever on the 520-H. Not that

I dislike its location by the steering wheel, but the fact you have to press down on it to put it in

reverse. When your mowing thats probably fine but when your plowing or blowing snow I can see

where that would be bothersome. Ive been doing some thinking, (yeah I do that every so often.)

And what if you cut a slot to go straight across from fwd so in essence you just pull it back for

reverse no pushing down. Has anyone ever tried that? The foot control kit would be

awesome and would like to see a manual on one and get Ideas how they hook up. When Im chuckin

snow my right hand is working the Rocker Switches on the Chute Control, Left hand on the Steering,

and right foot for fwd reverse motion and course left foot brake. That would be the Ultimate for me.

Any Thoughts?

~Duke

Thanks ~Duke

[MalMac 1,332]

Duke I took mine and just round off the slot. That way it's just a straight forward and straight pull back. I had to do that when I had a foot control on.

[118lfd 8]

Duke if I had a hydro I would definitely adapt a pedal system to it. I would take a different approach. I would use two pedals on one side one for forward and one reverse. You would have to fab up linkage and maybe a cantilever plate but it would work really good. I used to run a dare I say JD 855 CUT that had this setup and it was the Bomb.

Not a great pic but you can see the pedal with the arrow on it that was the forward and the one to the right of it was reverse.

[CRE1992 135]

I used to run a dare I say JD 855 CUT that had this setup and it was the Bomb.

Not a great pic but you can see the pedal with the arrow on it that was the forward and the one to the right of it was reverse.

Lol 118lfd, I mean we can clearly see it is a... Nvm its cleverly camouflaged...

You should buy my 416H and develop your own pedal system!

(Ill cut you a deal

-Charles

[118lfd 8]

I want your 416 but I don't have the coin now If you still have it after the new year I will be calling.

[CRE1992 135]

I would like to move it before then! lol. We shall see!

Duke, you should try to contact Doc in Kentucky as he was making them. However there was a member who restored a 520H with a two stage, bought a new cab and rebuilt the motor, that developed a foot pedal system like 118lfd is describing. It should be in the archives somewhere, I don't remember his name. But after that he hasn't posted in at least 6 months .

[mattd860 162]

I would like to move it before then! lol. We shall see!

Duke, you should try to contact Doc in Kentucky as he was making them. However there was a member who restored a 520H with a two stage, bought a new cab and rebuilt the motor, that developed a foot pedal system like 118lfd is describing. It should be in the archives somewhere, I don't remember his name. But after that he hasn't posted in at least 6 months .

Here is the link to the foot controls that CRE1992 is referring to - viewtopic.php?f=70&t=14755&hilit=restore&start=90

I personally know the owner of the restored 520 and recently requested that he duplicate the foot controls for me. However he has no time due to work so is unable to do so.

Duke - your mission is to duplicate this setup. Your mission will only be complete once you can sell this setup to members of redsquare. Do not fail us!!

[mattd860 162]

Duke - here some more info:

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[smoreau 658]

Duke - here some more info:

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I like this set up allot!!! and I think I will try to make one of these very soon after the hitches are done. We will see how much time they will take to make if I make any for sale. Some things I'm thinking of changing is the pedal location as it will be in the way for a plow angle lever. But very nice set up for sure.

[sorekiwi 761]

Wow, all you guys that are hating on your 520's should consider switching back to a C series or similar.

Seems like you all hate the Onan, hate the steering and now you hate the late model shifters. With a C160 you wont have to worry about any of those inconveniances.

I like my 520 just the way it came from the factory. :dunno:

[CRE1992 135]

Like a C161? I think Matt now has one... :dunno:

[smoreau 658]

Wow, all you guys that are hating on your 520's should consider switching back to a C series or similar.

Seems like you all hate the Onan, hate the steering and now you hate the late model shifters. With a C160 you wont have to worry about any of those inconveniances.

I like my 520 just the way it came from the factory.

I love my 96 520h the way it is factory, But my other one that I am putting my loader on would be allot nicer with the pedals for the forward and rev. As for the steering, a little play dose not bother me and the onens are sweet running engines as long as you give them some love when they need it.

[mattd860 162]

Here are some pictures of the foot controls. Get to work Duke!

[smoreau 658]

Here are some pictures of the foot controls. Get to work Duke!

Matt That is what I have been looking for!! This is going to be my next build! I love it and it's so simple. I think your design is GREAT!! :dunno:

[HorseFixer 2,013]

I personally know the owner of the restored 520 and recently requested that he duplicate the foot controls for me. However he has no time due to work so is unable to do so.

Duke - your mission is to duplicate this setup. Your mission will only be complete once you can sell this setup to members of redsquare. Do not fail us!!

Matt, The guy is deffinatley a wrench and has some pretty good fab skills. I went through his whole 520 Re-Build and it was quite Impressive. He definatley has some time and

money in it, thats for sure.

I like the foot pedal Idea and concept, but wonder how that would work with clumbsy boots on.

I didn't want to take the whole tractor apart to do this and with that setup to get all those

linkages correct you would have to.

From what I have been told the Wheel Horse Foot Control is combersome. Yer right foot is all

Jacked up in the air and it is uncomfortable to operate. Ya feel like a Duck on a June Bug. And Gee now I am "VOTED" the Keeper of the Flame of Foot Controls.

like have some kind of mass production factory at the Duke "O" Minium or something.

Gee after I get out of that Jail and listening to all the complaints and BS from the inmates and dealing with all the politics, I just wanna come home and chill out and maybe work on a tractor and get my mind off the Job for awhile lick my wounds heal up and go hit it again the next day. I dont know what Im gonna do yet but sure would be nice if someone would

draw up the plans and come up with a method to install something without having to take apart

the whole machine. Now in three Years when Retired, I may consider making a few

things, better than selling penicils on the street corner I guess. Keep the Ideas flowing guys and Ill do the same. for the great ideas. Sure would be nice Matt if yer Bud would have a few more movies and complete his install video's He brought the Ole Duke to the Climax Part and left me hangin!

~Duke

~Duke

[mattd860 162]

Believe it or not - between my father and I, I think we have enough fab skills to make a similar setup. I will be using a modified brake pedal however instead of making new pedals from scratch. When I met with my friend yesterday, we determined that his setup is not ideal, especially when the snow cab is installed. So we figured out a way to make it work ALOT better using only ONE pedal for forward and reverse rather than two pedals.

The key with his setup was the self centering ability. I think he mastered that and any foot control setup we make needs to have that ability.

[mattd860 162]

Wow, all you guys that are hating on your 520's should consider switching back to a C series or similar.

Seems like you all hate the Onan, hate the steering and now you hate the late model shifters. With a C160 you wont have to worry about any of those inconveniances.

I like my 520 just the way it came from the factory.

LOL - is this a joke?? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. No one here is hating the Onan or the steering. The design is top knotch however we're just trying to tighten the tolerances. None of us have replaced the Onan with something else and none of us have replaced the steering either.

The only thing we might 'hate' is the motion lever. I myself don't hate it however I would simply like foot controls. Wheel horse/toro even recognized the benefits to foot controls which is why they made their own hydro foot controls.

I love the 520's and even fully stock with sloppy steering they are a great machine! I'd just like to make it a little better :wh:

[Wheelbearing 49]

Ok so maybe now that the clocks are set back again I can go back to computer forum hybernation.

Dukes right, My big foot is a problem when the cab is on. I tend to wear slippers when I blow snow because of it. The other problem I forgot to show Matt is the pie shaped steering gear(rack) hits the linkage when you turn hard left it holds the pedal forward. It was a surprise when it first happened. I want to redesign more toward this design. I have to change it a little because I don't think it will work with the cab. But I like the simpler "no rocker between the pedals design).

[HorseFixer 2,013]

Believe it or not - between my father and I, I think we have enough fab skills to make a similar setup. I will be using a modified brake pedal however instead of making new pedals from scratch. When I met with my friend yesterday, we determined that his setup is not ideal, especially when the snow cab is installed. So we figured out a way to make it work ALOT better using only ONE pedal for forward and reverse rather than two pedals.

The key with his setup was the self centering ability. I think he mastered that and any foot control setup we make needs to have that ability.

I just came back to this thread to ask that very question.... Unbelievable that that you commented on My next question, On the Wheel Horse foot control does it center and spring back to neautral with foot off the pedal is that Correct? To me this is a must, when your Snow Chuckin Cause you can get your *** in a ringer real Quick.

Matt there is no doubt you and Pop can do this, Its just getting going and starting is the first step. The pride of building something yourself is rewarding! Im sure you and your dad will build some memories along the way.

Okay back to the project: The Erganomics of the WH Pedal in my opinion is not comfortable Its an afterthought, Its good in that it does solve the problem and is better than hand operation, but from what I have herd from those that have them they feel all warn out

after operating it. WH had to come up with a simple kit in order to sell these and satisfy

the masses. I just want to improve on their Idea and make it so it works better for my use. I too have a couple Ideas. I worked on this thing all night..... Did I stay up all night?? Nope, but

I felt like I did, as I worked on it all night in my sleep, When I get thinking about something

thats the way I am, Im like a pit bull, I cant rest till im finished. Thats a bad habit to get into! A guy could have a STROKE! Anyways thanks for the comments will go out in the

Garage to night, Tip over a bucket sit there and ponder the situation while sipping Apple Juice! I think I have a good solution myself.

Cheers ~Duke

:party:

[mattd860 162]

I might try modifying this pedal from a Toro 268.

Wheelbearing - Where did you get that pedal in the above picture? That one would be easier to modify IMO.

[mattd860 162]

Interesting design - http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/loa ... 79220.html

[Wheelbearing 49]

Matt....Thats not my foot pedal. I found that picture a while ago, can't remember where from.

This guy doesn't have any spring centering.

[jtmoyer 1]

you could just take out the safety plate under the front of the dash. and tie the safety switch closed with a wire tie. that will let you move the lever front to back with out pushing it down. 2 bolts and you are done, no fab time, and easy to change back if you really don't like it.

[HorseFixer 2,013]

you could just take out the safety plate under the front of the dash. and tie the safety switch closed with a wire tie. that will let you move the lever front to back with out pushing it down. 2 bolts and you are done, no fab time, and easy to change back if you really don't like it.

Thanks JT I was out in the Garage last night sipping apple juice sitting on my bucket putting together my plan of action on the foot control thingy, was looking at that and know exactly what yer talking about. I think I will just cut that slot straight across and keep the safety switch IN-LINE cause I got (3) grand babies wondering around and a possibility I could have inadvertently left a key in ignition switch, don't want them to tangle with a runaway 520 I would rather error on the safety side of things Ya know kids, they do the wildest things.

Cheers ~Duke

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[jtmoyer 1]

by cutting the slot and moving the lever from reveres back to neutral you will rip off the safety switch arm. you will have to weld on a tab so the safety switch arm rides over the motion control arm peg.

tore one up on my van because i was not thinking and could not see it.