633 generator photos or diagrams

[joebob 45]

does any one have a picture ,or knows were I can find some thing I can go off of ,to see what I may be missing, just pick up a 633, the tractor is missing the belt cover and looks like they cut a bracket off that go to the top of the generator to the dash console , I looked in the photo section, but every thing close has the belt covers on, or doesn't have electric start, I also checked the toro site with no luck. thanks for any help

[DMESS 24]

Well, the 633 should be recoil start only. If yours appears to have had a starter generator it's hard to say what might be going on there. Certainly could have had some modifications in the last 45 years! For starters the engine should be a K-141 T Kohler. Pics would be VERY helpful at this point.

[CasualObserver 3,411]

Hey joebob! Where are you from? you didn't per chance pick up this one did you?

[joebob 45]

hmmm, the toro web site said its electric I'll have to do some more looking and figure how to post pics

[joebob 45]

oh oh this dont sound good, yes

[CasualObserver 3,411]

oh oh this dont sound good, yes

No, no... nothing bad at all... glad it found a good home. Another member here and I have both been looking at it for about a week or so... but apparently you pulled the trigger first! Here's the thread from the other day. Wheel Horse 633 Read through it.. it may answer some of your questions, because yes... it should be a recoil start tractor. That was one of my holdups. Good price though, either way!

Now... you still didn't say... where ya from?

[catman81056 3]

Go to this site;

http://www.milacalawn.com/parts.asp

Click on parts lookup.

Where it says "select OEM" click the little down arrow and select Toro Consumer Equipment. (Might take awhile to load, have patience)

Click on "riding products"

go down the list till you get to the 6's and click on 633, 633 tractor

Here are your parts diagrams. looks like it has a starter/generator.

It shows a 7hp Kohler/electric start Item 75

A 6hp Kohler/recoil item 152

A 6HP Lauson/electric start item 140

You probably have the 7HP with electric start.

[joebob 45]

great if someone tells me how to post pics on this, I will get some up and try to figure what I just bought, its really funny that the toro web said it is electric start? I dont know to much about the 60s models, but it did clean up pretty good from what the pictures were, I called this guy the day it came out it was to far for me, but it just sat there, I thought someone was going to get it pretty fast , but it sat for 2 weeks, I just decided to take the 2nd mortgage out to pay for gas to at least look at it

[nylyon-(Admin) 7,892]

For posting pictures try this

[catman81056 3]

great if someone tells me how to post pics on this, I will get some up and try to figure what I just bought, its really funny that the toro web said it is electric start? I dont know to much about the 60s models, but it did clean up pretty good from what the pictures were, I called this guy the day it came out it was to far for me, but it just sat there, I thought someone was going to get it pretty fast , but it sat for 2 weeks, I just decided to take the 2nd mortgage out to pay for gas to at least look at it

If you go to the site I posted you will see the same diagrams that Toro used to show.

It says there that the 633 came with 3 different engine combos.

A 6HP recoil start Kohler.

A 6HP electric start Lauson.

A 7HP electric start Kohler.

[TT-(Moderator) 1,162]

Usually the online IPL will show all similar models, but only the correct usage notes are listed in the REAL paper IPL. The 633, 653, and 753 are essentially the same tractor with the only major differences being the engines and supporting parts. (wiring harness, switches, instrumentation, etc.)

A 633 had a K-141T Kohler 6.25hp engine with magneto ignition recoil start only. If it has electric start of any kind, it was dealer or owner added. The possibility exists that the engine was replaced, or possibly even just the drive belt guard.

If you don't believe the MPV listings at Toro (and similar sites) are sometimes incorrect, just ask the two RS members who have B-60's with K181 8hp engines and B-80 decals and model number tags. :D

[catman81056 3]

Point well taken.

As far as the 2 B-60's/8HP motors go, I'm pretty sure they were assembled by the Toro factory jokester "Homer" Smith. He was just wanting to mess with a few heads and decided the 8HP motors would do the trick :D

[CasualObserver 3,411]

Dang... TT beat me to it... I went away to answer the phone with a half written post....

the reason those other engines are on the parts list is because the 633/653/753 were all in the same owners manual. The only difference between them I think is the engine... well... that and the 633 is the only one that used this toolbox! The toolbox, because the 633 had no use for a battery... same reason the 603 didn't even have a batterybox.

[joebob 45]

working on the picture thing. (Jason) sorry I didn't answer your ? oak grove mn 25 min north of twincitys.

[CasualObserver 3,411]

I've been up that way.... I live down west of Rochester, halfway between there and Owatonna. I've been up to Andover before after a horse. Please check out the thread on the North Central Wheel Horse Events Club at the bottom of the main page. We'd love to see you at the LeSeuer show if you can make it.

oh.... and I don't remember seeing any of these for you so... Welcome!!!

[combatmp29r 27]

Holy Crap Jason your right where are our manners?

joebob glad you jumped into the conversation, and when you figure it out :whistle:

[joebob 45]

Ok lets try this , had technical difficulty and I am the technical part, the engine looks to be the right one or at least the cover is so this looks like someone added the gen/starter thats way the brackets look wrong and missing parts

[joebob 45]

here is one of the 633 (I Hope) hopefully get to degrease it soon and get it running

[linen beige 15]

:WRS: The rear mounted work light might be a clue as to why it now has a generator? And that has to be one of the most heavy duty choke levers I've ever seen! :D

[joebob 45]

The rear mounted work light might be a clue as to why it now has a generator? And that has to be one of the most heavy duty choke levers I've ever seen!

ok it's just a little BIG but not as bad as the bike lamp, just alittle overkill to add a generator for that, but the shift pattern decal is right for the electric start, must of been added when the put on the charging/start system, they did a pretty good job just some minors stuff that a little strange, just don't know if it's a 633 yet, is there a way to check against the serial number :whistle:

[TT-(Moderator) 1,162]

Nope -- the serial number means nothing.

(I do have to ask though -- exactly what does a shift pattern decal have to do with electric start? )

Anyhow.....

This is what I'm seeing - and anyone who can back me OR correct me on this, please feel free.

The amp gauge, starter button, voltage regulator location, and THROTTLE lever are not "WH correct". I've never seen a serial number / shift pattern decal that high on the hoodstand and would guess that it somehow got moved. These are items that can be added easily, so there's really nothing relevant with those parts.

The K-141 T is a 6.25 horsepower retractable start engine which is correct for a 633, and I see a fuel pump too - so I'm guessing this is a "newer" 141 with the side draft carb. It looks like there is a recoil cup in the center of the flywheel pulley - which I would like to see close up - and another one laying in front of the shifter. I'll bet there's also 5 threaded holes in the blower housing for attaching a recoil starter.

And..... the belt guard is obviously from a 633.

I'd say you have a 633 - with a few extra parts that don't belong. It's your decision as to whether you want to make it original and pull a rope to start it, or leave the electric start on there and wear out your thumb instead of your arm.

It certainly won't be the only Wheel Horse tractor that had electric start added "after the fact". :D

[linen beige 15]

If you go to the site I posted you will see the same diagrams that Toro used to show.

It says there that the 633 came with 3 different engine combos.

A 6HP recoil start Kohler.

A 6HP electric start Lauson.

A 7HP electric start Kohler.

The parts diagram is generic for the 633, 653, and 753, with the engines for all three listed in the parts breakdown. The 400 and 550 suburban drawings also show the Kohler and the Lauson engines.

Maybe we should call this one a 643?

[DMESS 24]

Nope -- the serial number means nothing.

(I do have to ask though -- exactly what does a shift pattern decal have to do with electric start? )

Anyhow.....

This is what I'm seeing - and anyone who can back me OR correct me on this, please feel free.

The amp gauge, starter button, voltage regulator location, and THROTTLE lever are not "WH correct". I've never seen a serial number / shift pattern decal that high on the hoodstand and would guess that it somehow got moved. These are items that can be added easily, so there's really nothing relevant with those parts.

The K-141 T is a 6.25 horsepower retractable start engine which is correct for a 633, and I see a fuel pump too - so I'm guessing this is a "newer" 141 with the side draft carb. It looks like there is a recoil cup in the center of the flywheel pulley - which I would like to see close up - and another one laying in front of the shifter. I'll bet there's also 5 threaded holes in the blower housing for attaching a recoil starter.

And..... the belt guard is obviously from a 633.

I'd say you have a 633 - with a few extra parts that don't belong. It's your decision as to whether you want to make it original and pull a rope to start it, or leave the electric start on there and wear out your thumb instead of your arm.

It certainly won't be the only Wheel Horse tractor that had electric start added "after the fact".

Shift pattern decal is irrelevant to electric start, but the position is legit. Number WILL be relevant (at least to me) since most 633's I've seen have all been in the 27000 range. Chances are his will be too.

As far as the add ons, yes, all easy stuff to swap. I've seen quite a few 633's with electric start added. Not sure why this tractor was so prone to this other than the parts must have been cheap and plentiful.

Get us some good shots of the carb and governor linkage if you could. I'm curious to see what's goin on there.

Little doubt in my mind she's a 633. :D

[TT-(Moderator) 1,162]

OK.... "relevant" meaning that you can't identify the model by the number printed on the sticker.

The angle of his photo gives the illusion that the sticker is almost at the top of the hoodstand, which threw me off quite a bit.

Here's my 633 sticker:

[DMESS 24]

The serial decal on yours is a little lower and WOW, 38xxx. That's quite higher than the majority I have looked at. Interesting. :whistle: