DMK855 15 #1 Posted February 13, 2011 I am finishing up a K181 to put on my 552. I have a few questions or opinions on a couple things!! First. Until I find a carb, can I use the carb. off of my K181 on my JD. It appears to be pretty new and very clean. The casting number on the inside of my original one is "22". The new one has a "44" cast into it!! Second. I am in need of a fuel pump. I have posted a thread in the wanted section for a vac. pump. While having this motor apart I noticed that it does have the ecentric on the cam for a mech. pump. Will a mech. pump work?? Third. I am picking up all stainless bolts for this motor. What are the opinions of using stainless bolts/studs for the head?? It had five bolts and two studs for bolting the GEN. bracket to the top. Here are a couple of pictures of where I am at with it so far. I just have the tins mocked up. It is amazing how something as simple as changing the governor shaft can lead to a complete overhaul!!! All this because a little rivet on the gov. tab!!!! Thanks in advance!! Dwayne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chevy030303 0 #2 Posted February 14, 2011 :thumbs: you can use carb i think the second Qustion i dont know third i dont know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorekiwi 761 #3 Posted February 14, 2011 The motor looks nice! A mechanical fuel pump will work, since you have the eccentric on the cam to drive it. I wouldnt use stainless bolts for the head bolts. Stainless bolts actually arent very strong, either in shear or tension, and tend to be brittle. In most of our applications stainless would work fine, but for head bolts I'd use something stronger to keep uniform pressure on the head gasket. I'd pick up some grade 8 bolts, although grade 5 would probably be fine. You could paint them red so they are not obviously a different color from the rest of your hardware. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikesRJ 552 #4 Posted February 14, 2011 Q1 - Don't know. Q2 - Try Milica Parts for the fuel pump. (231390) http://www.milacalawn.com/parts.asp Q3 - I'm partial to the Grade-8 Gold Anodized Bolts from TSC. That gold looks to pretty against the red. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgjks6 6 #5 Posted February 14, 2011 Just went through the fuel pump issues. They don't make rebuild kits. You have to buy a new mechanical one. OEM - $70-$90 (includes shipping) Aftermarket - $40-$60 I bought an after market at TEW for about $40 - and they sent me a Kohler! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMK855 15 #6 Posted February 14, 2011 Mike, thanks for the compliment!! Now I need to paint the tractor it is going on!!!! Also, thanks for the input on the head bolts!! I was questioning that myself!! MikesRJ, I know about the pumps, but I would like to find an Aluminum one!! Seems everyone is holding onto them though!! I may just spring for the new one!! Dgjks6, thanks for the info!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgjks6 6 #7 Posted February 14, 2011 if you wamt my old metal one I will send it to you. I read somewhere that you can make the gaskets for it so you can rebuild it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duff 206 #8 Posted February 14, 2011 if you wamt my old metal one I will send it to you. I read somewhere that you can make the gaskets for it so you can rebuild it. Isn't there a thread here somewhere that gives the contact info for a guy (in Maine, I think?) who makes the rebuild kits for these? Duff EDIT: Here's one thread I found: http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/index.php?showtopic=19171 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMK855 15 #9 Posted February 16, 2011 Isn't there a thread here somewhere that gives the contact info for a guy (in Maine, I think?) who makes the rebuild kits for these? Duff EDIT: Here's one thread I found: http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/index.php?showtopic=19171 Duff, I did find the other thread also with the info. I called and talked to Mike today and have a kit on the way. If his kit works as well and lasts as long as the original pump parts did, I will never have to worry about it again!! I will post pics of the kit and the rebuild in this thread when I get it done!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMK855 15 #10 Posted February 16, 2011 Now on to the carb issue..... I was going to look for a carb. for this motor as the one I am "using" for it is off of my JD 110. (Actually the boys, as he has laid claims to it!!!) The carb on this engine had a bad float and a worn throttle shaft. When removing the screws from the throttle plate, one broke. At that point I put all the pieces in a ziplock and tossed 'em the spare parts bin. This evening, I dug the carb out and went to work on it. I was able to get the broken screw out and saved the threads in the throttle shaft. Now the question that I have is Brian Miller still in business?? I need to get the throttle shaft bushing and some new screws. Also, need to order a carb. kit and float. Who is the best to order these from?? I would like to save this carb!! Thanks in advance!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorekiwi 761 #11 Posted February 16, 2011 I think Brian (KBLOR) siad recently that he can get throttle shaft kits. Any Kohler deaaler could get you the carb kit and float, Brian can probably get them too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMK855 15 #12 Posted February 16, 2011 Thanks Mike. I know the shaft bushings for a K181 are different than the larger motors. I will check with him! Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheelhorse656 20 #13 Posted February 16, 2011 I am finishing up a K181 to put on my 552. I have a few questions or opinions on a couple things!! First. Until I find a carb, can I use the carb. off of my K181 on my JD. It appears to be pretty new and very clean. The casting number on the inside of my original one is "22". The new one has a "44" cast into it!! Second. I am in need of a fuel pump. I have posted a thread in the wanted section for a vac. pump. While having this motor apart I noticed that it does have the ecentric on the cam for a mech. pump. Will a mech. pump work?? Third. I am picking up all stainless bolts for this motor. What are the opinions of using stainless bolts/studs for the head?? It had five bolts and two studs for bolting the GEN. bracket to the top. Here are a couple of pictures of where I am at with it so far. I just have the tins mocked up. It is amazing how something as simple as changing the governor shaft can lead to a complete overhaul!!! All this because a little rivet on the gov. tab!!!! Thanks in advance!! Dwayne nice looking motor! i agree grade a gold anodized bolts would look the best!!! :thumbs: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiscalyear 0 #14 Posted February 16, 2011 Dwayne. DMK855 Sent you an email message. I don't know but I'm thinking I'm supposed to just say 'BUMP' here..?? Eddie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMK855 15 #15 Posted February 17, 2011 Fiscalyear...... You have Mail!! Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coadster32 793 #16 Posted February 18, 2011 On things you don't need to really torque, stainless is fine. Things you really need to torque, steer away from stainless. Good luck :thumbs: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMK855 15 #17 Posted February 19, 2011 Thanks Coadster!! Just a little update. Napa was able to get the Kohler carb. kit and Kohler float. Our local DC had them in stock. Nice ordering tractor parts, not picking up the phone to do it, and having them in your hand in a couple of hours with no shipping!!! Still trying to track down throttle shaft bushings though!! Appears the K181 Carter carbs. are different than the 10hp and up carbs!! I also recieved the fuel pump kit from Then and Now. I am very happy with it and plan to get more for the other 4 vac. pump tractors!! I installed the kit with no problems. I will let you know how it works when I get the engine ready to fire!! Here are a few pics of the pump kit. Kit. Valves. Valves in pump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorekiwi 761 #18 Posted February 19, 2011 I also recieved the fuel pump kit from Then and Now. I am very happy with it and plan to get more for the other 4 vac. pump tractors!! I installed the kit with no problems. Sorry I might be misunderstanding you here... Is this the kit from Mike Casella? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMK855 15 #19 Posted February 19, 2011 Yes, That kit is from Mike Casella at Then and Now Automotive!! :thumbs: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiscalyear 0 #20 Posted February 19, 2011 Dwayne, you may be able to just file a small amount off the throttle shaft bushings if you need smaller bushings. I sent instructions along. You should recieve them today. Good to see things are coming together for you. Keep up the pics. Eddie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMK855 15 #21 Posted February 19, 2011 Thanks Eddie. I am also worried about the throttle shaft diameter. I will see what I have when they get here!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
