no more rattle can woes.

[stoneman 10]

I had never heard of these before til I went to T-P Tool near here. They are predominantly a body shop tool and equipment supplier. Google them and see for yourself. Quite an operation. I have not used it yet, but if these guys say it works . . . it does. You can buy your IH restoration paint, or the primer, paint and hardener of your choosing by the quart or gallon, thin and add hardener, and use it for your tins and expect quality results. You can also use the heat paint, (sold in pints and available in various colors). One charge is enough to spray 2 bottles full. That should go a long way painting small parts, especially when you know it'll get hard. I haven't googled the product yet for availability, but it should be easy to find. If not, and you want to try it let me know. I'll get it to you or you can contact T-P Tool and they'll ship it. peace . . . scott

[Save Old Iron 1,573]

Check these out too!

http://www.amazon.com/Green-Aluminum-Recha...n/dp/B002D3WXMU

it uses an air charge from your compressor instead of cartridges.

Different nozzles will spray different viscosity materials.

[buckeye 5]

You can get those spray bottles and cartridges at Lowes or Home Depot. They do work good, but i wouldn't try painting anything big with them. They work good for small parts or touch up.

[Coadster32 793]

Very interesting. Has anyone tried a wagner sprayer for sheet metal?

[stoneman 10]

You can get those spray bottles and cartridges at Lowes or Home Depot. They do work good, but i wouldn't try painting anything big with them. They work good for small parts or touch up.

I just checked out a youtube video posted on the Preval website and these guys paint a deck off of a race car with it with excellent results. I think if I didn't have a spray system (HVLP), I'd paint a hood or fender pan with mixed paint and hardener using the Preval system or the one that SOI referred to, rather than taking my chances with the rattle can. Just my thoughts . . . peace :thumbs:

[DoctorHfuhruhurr 137]

Harbor Freight used to sell the compressor refillable type also although I don't see them on the site (I may be searching for the wrong search term).

[Ken B 3,202]

The guys painting the deck on the race car have probably practiced with that Preval sprayer for quite some time. Its funny how sometimes things look so easy but they really aren't in reality. Remember, they are advertising it and they want to make it look easy.

I have used the Preval sprayer quite a few times. Its good for small parts. If you tip the bottle ever so slightly too far it'll spit paint. If the paint isn't thinned just perfect it spits it out and goes on thick and the results are orange peel. Getting it thinned just right will take some experimenting. The charge doesn't last as long as they claim, at least when I've used it and it always runs low just at the wrong time. The refills aren't cheap all things considered. Its a toss up as to which is cheaper, the Preval or a can of Resto series paint. I find the Resto series in a can is less of a hassle and more reliable, but I prefer my hvlp gun any day.

[JUSS10 250]

i have been using the resto series in a rattle can for touch ups and small parts and you can't tell where i used an HVLP gun vs the spray can. now i wouldn't do a whole tractor with a spray can, not because it does a poor job but rather because it would cost quite a bit more in cans that it would just buying the paint and spraying it with a gun. I've looked at those spray bottle rigs before but shied away due to fear of sputtering or the charge running out at the most inconvenient times. with a spray can i always know there is enough charge in there to drain the whole thing and i know i am near the "end" when i can feel the can getting light.

but all that said, if you can't afford a nice spray gun and the compressor to keep up, one of these rigs may be just the ticket. i would say practice on some parts that the finish isn't super important (inner frame, inner fender, non visible parts, etc)

post some pics once you try it out :thumbs:

[stoneman 10]

All points well taken. I guess after reading all the stories in the "rattle can woes" thread, I concluded that a lot of you guys had problems with the curing and hardening. If you don't have a paint system, then I'm thinking that a good paint with a hardener, and of course some trial and error, may provide some better results, and could be worth a little more. I'll be using it for some smaller parts, and if I screw them up, I'll re-do them til I get it figured out. I let you know what kind of results I get. peace . . . scott

[Coadster32 793]

Do you really need hardener? I have spent the big bucks on a 1 gallon can of New Toro Red (never will do that again) and brushed a frame. Came out ok, and seems to hold up alright. What will the hardener actually do?

[Ken B 3,202]

Do you really need hardener? I have spent the big bucks on a 1 gallon can of New Toro Red (never will do that again) and brushed a frame. Came out ok, and seems to hold up alright. What will the hardener actually do?

I say yes you do need hardener if trying for a real quality paint job. It will add gloss to the finish and it speeds the curing time which is important to me for lots of reasons. I can finish the job quicker and being that it dries faster there is less of a chance of dust and flies landing in tacky paint. Hardener won't make the paint harder. I can spray a hood on a Horse and wet sand and buff it out within a few days.

[Coadster32 793]

Thanks for the tip Ken. Your horses come out awesome! :thumbs:

[Save Old Iron 1,573]

I believe most folks think once the top coat paint has dried, that's the end of the story.

For a quality finish, once the paint dries, you are about HALFWAY finished.

Wet sand, touch up, sand and polish and buff and buff ..

Those mirror like finishes do not come from a rattle can or an inexperienced user behind a HVLP gun.

[horsefeathers 15]

Stoneman, TP tools is a cool place rite there in Canfield Oh.

They got the stuff (what ever "stuff" is?)

Never tried those mix yer home brew 'n spray kits!

Did anyone know that some auto parts stores that offer paint supplys

can custom mix there products and put it in an areosol can for you!

My son Jam Dawg buys these to touch up his

1973 Buster Duster, Lime Green works great, it blends well

and color match is very good! Works for him!

!

Coadster, The first car I ever painted was my 73 Challenger

I was a dumb kid it was 1979 I sprayed it with an electric spray gun!

Those things just spit paint! Orange peel? Naw, it looked like a wet dirt road!

But it was all one color Azetek gold! I was "in" bad azz ride 340 4spd!

I have a Wagner power painter never tried it on tin!

Think it's time to relive my youth! I'll give it a try!

Guys, I know a lot of us are on a tight budget! Soooo...

I offer a solution, Harbor Freight offers a HVLP and Gravity feed

spray guns CHEEP! 20 % of coupons are avalible in many magazines!

You can get a HVLP gun for 20 bucks!

I know!!!!!! But they do work very good!

I've painted 5 cars with my $15 gun with good results!

Heck, I can throw it away after each job, but it still works great!

If you don't have an air compressor you can hook it up to yer beer mister!

co2 works great as a propellent!

HORSEFEATHERS!

[stoneman 10]

Did anyone know that some auto parts stores that offer paint supplys

can custom mix there products and put it in an areosol can for you!

The automotive supply where I picked up paint yesterday does that. They have two options. Both cans have an awesome spray nozzle that fans a good 4" pattern like a gun. One has activator in it. You just smack the nozzle on the bottom of the can, shake it up and go. With the latter, you have to use it up because the paint will harden in the can if you don't. I haven't tried either, but probably will at some point. He says he can make an exact match to the paint I bought.

[Ken B 3,202]

I have a parts store nearby that will bottle up automotive paint in an aerosol but its about 25 bucks a can. The fan spray on the Preval is one of the things I don't like about it.

[rickv1957 77]

Still using my 25 year old Devilbess gun,seen many gallons of paint and still works great,Rick

[linen beige 16]

Still using my 25 year old Devilbess gun,seen many gallons of paint and still works great,Rick

Binks #7 here. 34 years old.

Pasche airbrush, 28 years old.

Each have seen gallons and gallons of paints of all types and still going strong.

I've tried out dozens of "alternatives to high priced spray guns". Some did OK, but most of them required me to break out the old standbys to finish the job the cheap ones just couldn't do.

[horsefeathers 15]

Jim, Rick, I also have several old siphon feed spray guns!

2 Devilbess guns

2 Sharp 775 models

1 Sharp 75 model

And an early Binks Great gun!

And a couple old Crapsman siphons Yuck!

I keep them very clean and have used them for many years!

But they just do not produce the results that the HVLP 'n Gravity guns do!

I'am tellin' ya' guys waste $20 bucks 'n try Harbor Freight guns!

I know I don't like new stuff either, And not made in America SUX!

But it's a new world so... what can ya' do?

Jim, I bought my first airbrush some 30 years ago!

Paasche model H single action W/diaphram air compressor!

still have it! A real POS the VL is still a good airbrush double action!

I now have a Badger 360 DA ecclent brush I use a 20# CO2 for propellent!

Hate prep work but love to paint!

HORSEFEATHERS!

[shallowwatersailor 3,216]

I remember when these were first introduced in the early '70s. The spray pattern was rather wide and hard to control. I gave up on it and bought my Paasche H in 1974, which I still use. Going through A_ _ Hardware the other day, I spotted the Preval in the paint aisle. Perhaps it's improved.

[PPGman 5]

I have used the preval sprayer in the past with decent results. What others have said i have found to be true also, but it does give you the ability to catalize your paint with a hardener. The other thing to remember, is you need to thin the paint out pretty darn thin to get it to lay out nice using the preval. Making the paint thinner, usually requires a few more coats to get good coverage. Its a nice alternative if you don't have a compressor and spray gun though. :thumbs:

[HankB 16]

...

Guys, I know a lot of us are on a tight budget! Soooo...

I offer a solution, Harbor Freight offers a HVLP and Gravity feed

spray guns CHEEP! 20 % of coupons are avalible in many magazines!

You can get a HVLP gun for 20 bucks!

I know!!!!!! But they do work very good!

Look for the coupons at slickdeals.net and you can get that gun for $10. There's one on this page good through Sept 16: http://www.harborfreight.com/magurl1

I've got one. I'm not entirely happy with the results, but I think that is lack of skill rather than anything wrong with the gun.