What Wheelhorse ?

[FLtractor 246]

Evening, 

Another one came across marketplace. What model is it?  Another Early suburban? Hmm seller saying all parts should be in box.. and it ran and drove before disassembly to paint and clean up.. but no engine in pictures and that box doesn’t look big enough to hold whatever engine it would have come with.. seller asking $200.00.. worth it?

Edited 16 hours ago by FLtractor

[Pullstart 71,512]

Something 1962

[ri702bill 13,303]

25 minutes ago, Pullstart said:

Something 1962

Maybe some of the parts are, but to me it could be a 1964 704. The cambered front axle with 2 tierods and the adjustable Dial-a-Height lift lever mechanism say 1963 or later... The slanted hoodstand says 1964. So...704?

[squonk 48,312]

10 minutes ago, ri702bill said:

Maybe some of the parts are, but to me it could be a 1964 704. The cambered front axle with 2 tierods and the adjustable Dial-a-Height lift lever mechanism say 1963 or later... The slanted hoodstand says 1964. So...704?

704 did not use that style hood or gas tank. I think it may just be a pile of parts

[ri702bill 13,303]

FrankenMutt??

[953 nut 70,247]

854

 

 

[Pullstart 71,512]

2 hours ago, ri702bill said:

Maybe some of the parts are, but to me it could be a 1964 704. The cambered front axle with 2 tierods and the adjustable Dial-a-Height lift lever mechanism say 1963 or later... The slanted hoodstand says 1964. So...704?

yup brain fart 

[953 nut 70,247]

2 hours ago, ri702bill said:

The slanted hoodstand says 1964. So...704?

 

2 hours ago, squonk said:

704 did not use that style hood or gas tank. I think it may just be a pile of parts

 

40 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

854

 

1 hour ago, ri702bill said:

FrankenMutt??

A pile of parts to something with three digits the last one being    4.  The box shown in the listing has nothing but empty coffee containers. While not complete the part shown are in fairly good condition,  BUT without knowing what isn't there I would consider it a bottomless money pit. If you keep throwing money into it you will succeed in building the world's most expensive .

[FLtractor 246]

Update: seller said been years since ran and was taken apart. Said engine was worked on by local machine shop.

Here is picture when they brought  it home. 953nut you were right

[ri702bill 13,303]

A very desirable model, better if all the parts are there.My 854 with the added 8 speed is one of my favorites - the model they never built, but should have.....

[oliver2-44 11,808]

$150 if you take a parts list and can confirm part by part that the very large majority of all the parts are there.

Hood appears nice and straight and the 2 spoke steering wheel looks intact.

That aluminum gas tank looks to have some significant pitting, probable from that Florida salty air. 

I try to find out what work was done on engine by machine shop and if they have any receipts or measurement documents.

If engine actually had a full documented overhaul that could be a big $ plus.

[953 nut 70,247]

1 hour ago, FLtractor said:

953nut you were right

I just knew it would happen sooner or later!

 

[FLtractor 246]

3 hours ago, ri702bill said:

A very desirable model, better if all the parts are there.My 854 with the added 8 speed is one of my favorites - the model they never built, but should have.....

Interesting idea. 

[FLtractor 246]

2 hours ago, oliver2-44 said:

$150 if you take a parts list and can confirm part by part that the very large majority of all the parts are there.

Hood appears nice and straight and the 2 spoke steering wheel looks intact.

That aluminum gas tank looks to have some significant pitting, probable from that Florida salty air. 

I try to find out what work was done on engine by machine shop and if they have any receipts or measurement documents.

If engine actually had a full documented overhaul that could be a big $ plus.

Did they ever make any Wheelhorse hoods in white from factory? Since they made black hood painted tops.. kinda like the primer white look. 
good point about tank coorsion.. will have to ask about engine info.. said she’d get back to me after church. 

[FLtractor 246]

I wonder why they eliminated the under seat toolbox from the 854 to 856.. necessary for the lifting seat on 856 to access the transmission boot? Do tools tend to stay put in the toolbox there when driving and working the Wheelhorse?

Edited 4 hours ago by FLtractor

[ri702bill 13,303]

A 2 spoke steering wheel in good shape, not bent, is a rare find, also used on other models. An 854 hood is one model specific, one inch longer to clear the taller K181 air cleaner. That part alone, in good condition, is worth $$. The OE 854 gas tank is made using 2 pieces and expect it to leak.... The OE gasket is over 50 years old and is NOT ethanol gas compatible. Expect to disassemble & clean the tank. The modern aftermarket gasket IS compatable and a bit wider in the thin sections...

[oliver2-44 11,808]

1 hour ago, FLtractor said:

Did they ever make any Wheelhorse hoods in white from factory? Since they made black hood painted tops.. kinda like the primer white look. 
good point about tank coorsion.. will have to ask about engine info.. said she’d get back to me after church. 

 No that hood look like someone sprayed primer on it. Red was original paint. 

[FLtractor 246]

1 hour ago, ri702bill said:

A 2 spoke steering wheel in good shape, not bent, is a rare find, also used on other models. An 854 hood is one model specific, one inch longer to clear the taller K181 air cleaner. That part alone, in good condition, is worth $$. The OE 854 gas tank is made using 2 pieces and expect it to leak.... The OE gasket is over 50 years old and is NOT ethanol gas compatible. Expect to disassemble & clean the tank. The modern aftermarket gasket IS compatable and a bit wider in the thin sections...

Good info to know and look for, thanks 

[FLtractor 246]

36 minutes ago, oliver2-44 said:

 No that hood look like someone sprayed primer on it. Red was original paint. 

Right know it’s primer.. just wasn’t sure If any models were factory white. 
seller messaged me about engine.. attached reply. I asked about documentation but didn’t mention.. also said all 4 tires new. 

[ri702bill 13,303]

Maybe good, maybe not... IF moisture got to the raw surfaces on the block, cam & crank - that may be trouble. If those parts were properly protected against rust, then maybe good to go. Maybe because you should not just slap it back together without verifying dimensional clearances first, per the Kohler Service Manual....

[oliver2-44 11,808]

Ask if the crank was ground or original?Are new piston and rod included?

How close is it to you?  
If you’re up for a project and an engineer reassembly it’s sounding like it could be worth a look.  You’re paying for 4 new tires and getting a pile of tractor parts free.