Solenoid

[Retired Wrencher 6,683]

I have a B100. The identification tag is a little beat up so I used a fine tipped magic marker and wrote down what I could using a magnifying glass. But the other matter is this doesn’t have an original solenoid. It’s definitely an aftermarket. Looking for the original part number I looked for a good hour yesterday. I couldn’t seem to find it in the manual section. Is it grouped with other tractors and years? Any info would help.  This what I have on it now. 

[ebinmaine 78,931]

I thought that tractor runs good?

 

If that solenoid works I'd leave it on.

 

But that main ground cable should NOT be attached to the bracket.  

Ground cables should be bolted to a more substantial point. Sheet metal isn't a great path for electricity.  

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 12,244]

Solenoid part number is 8658. We do not have an original illustrated parts list and the one at Toro is list only - no illustrations. The Toro Master Parts Viewer allows one to word search and "solenoid" produced the 8658 part number. Click on the solenoid in the link.

 

Recorded you vin - Serial 4243 - Build date 1975 5330 November 26 Wednesday [6330 is wrong]

Click on the fuzzy area in the link below.

 

[squonk 46,625]

Napa ST81SB  Use the "s terminal.  Dis-regard the 2nd terminal.

 

[Retired Wrencher 6,683]

34 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

I thought that tractor runs good?

 

If that solenoid works I'd leave it on.

 

But that main ground cable should NOT be attached to the bracket.  

Ground cables should be bolted to a more substantial point. Sheet metal isn't a great path for electricity.  

Well yesterday I had a slight accident with that extra top wire that I don’t need slipped out of my hand and fell onto the positive side of the battery. Quite the spark show so I am thinking that something happened to that solenoid, cause it doesn’t turn over the engine anymore and yes, I did put my foot on the clutch to activate the safety switch kind of a head scratcher. So I only hear  a nock sound coming from the solenoid. Does not turn over engine.

Edited 10 hours ago by Retired Wrencher

[Retired Wrencher 6,683]

39 minutes ago, gwest_ca said:

Solenoid part number is 8658. We do not have an original illustrated parts list and the one at Toro is list only - no illustrations. The Toro Master Parts Viewer allows one to word search and "solenoid" produced the 8658 part number. Click on the solenoid in the link.

 

Recorded you vin - Serial 4243 - Build date 1975 5330 November 26 Wednesday [6330 is wrong]

Click on the fuzzy area in the link below.

 

Thank you Garry as all ways. Also thanks Erick and Mike. I will get the Napa on today.

Edited 10 hours ago by Retired Wrencher

[Racinbob 12,979]

20 minutes ago, Retired Wrencher said:

Well yesterday I had a slight accident with that extra top wire that I don’t need slipped out of my hand and fell onto the positive side of the battery. Quite the spark show so I am thinking that something happened to that solenoid, cause it doesn’t turn over the engine anymore and yes, I did put my foot on the clutch to activate the safety switch kind of a head scratcher. So I only hear  a nock sound coming from the solenoid. Does not turn over engine.

Kinda sounds to me like the knock you hear is the solenoid working but there another issue with the starter, bad wiring or?

[ebinmaine 78,931]

23 minutes ago, Retired Wrencher said:

did put my foot on the clutch to activate the safety switch kind of a head scratcher

 

If you contacted the battery and solenoid directly that safety switch is out of the circuit.  Doesn't matter.  

 

 

2 minutes ago, Racinbob said:

Kinda sounds to me like the knock you hear is the solenoid working but there another issue with the starter, bad wiring or?

 

 

Agreed.  

Could be a bad ground. ..or other bad components.  

 

Proper diagnosis here will be the key.  

 

 

 

[squonk 46,625]

This should give you a good diagram to go by.

 

[Retired Wrencher 6,683]

Thanks Mike.

[953 nut 66,212]

36 minutes ago, Retired Wrencher said:

slipped out of my hand and fell onto the positive side of the battery. Quite the spark show

Got any fuses in the wire from the solenoid to the amp meter? Could have blown one while the spark show was going on.           

[Retired Wrencher 6,683]

I will look

[John2189 592]

1 hour ago, Retired Wrencher said:

I have a B100. The identification tag is a little beat up so I used a fine tipped magic marker and wrote down what I could using a magnifying glass. But the other matter is this doesn’t have an original solenoid. It’s definitely an aftermarket. Looking for the original part number I looked for a good hour yesterday. I couldn’t seem to find it in the manual section. Is it grouped with other tractors and years? Any info would help.  This what I have on it now. 

About the ID tag, some times when they are hard to read, take a lead pencil and rub the numbers then lightly rub it off. The lead will fill the numbers and make it easier to see. 
 

[ri702bill 12,153]

40 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

Got any fuses in the wire from the solenoid to the amp meter?

If not, time to add one in a weather resistant holder.... all of mine get one.

[Ed Kennell 46,106]

Connect a jumper cable to the starter side of the solenoid.   Then touch it to the + battery post.   If it turns over, the starter is OK.   

[Racinbob 12,979]

12 Volt DC SPST Int Duty Grounded Solenoid Arrowhead SFD6004 [501072] - Surplus Center

[pfrederi 20,585]

24 minutes ago, Racinbob said:

12 Volt DC SPST Int Duty Grounded Solenoid Arrowhead SFD6004 [501072] - Surplus Center

I have used a couple of those!

[Handy Don 16,632]

5 hours ago, Retired Wrencher said:

So I only hear  a nock sound coming from the solenoid. Does not turn over engine.

Depending on how long the spark show lasted, there could be damage to the battery--the show could have exceeded the discharge rate the battery was designed to handle. At any rate, it gave up a lot of its juice so it’ll need a recharge. 

[Retired Wrencher 6,683]

Thanks for the reply Handy Don.It was only 20 seconds. I grab it right away. Here is a short Video of it running

[Retired Wrencher 6,683]

4 hours ago, Racinbob said:

12 Volt DC SPST Int Duty Grounded Solenoid Arrowhead SFD6004 [501072] - Surplus Center

Thank for the reply,but I am good. There is a short video above.  

[Ed Kennell 46,106]

3 minutes ago, Retired Wrencher said:

. Here is a short Video of it running

So, what was wrong?

[Retired Wrencher 6,683]

3 hours ago, pfrederi said:

I have used a couple of those!

Thanks for the offer pfrederi. But I am restoring this B100. 

[Retired Wrencher 6,683]

1 minute ago, Ed Kennell said:

So, what was wrong?

Nothing now Ed. It needed a new Solenoid the other was not the right one anyway. I talk to Squonk told me to go to Napa brand. Built for Fords 60`s and 70`s vehicles.  

[Retired Wrencher 6,683]

8 hours ago, gwest_ca said:

Solenoid part number is 8658. We do not have an original illustrated parts list and the one at Toro is list only - no illustrations. The Toro Master Parts Viewer allows one to word search and "solenoid" produced the 8658 part number. Click on the solenoid in the link.

 

Recorded you vin - Serial 4243 - Build date 1975 5330 November 26 Wednesday [6330 is wrong]

Click on the fuzzy area in the link below.

 

Thanks Garry.

[JoeM 9,959]

I like these especially when the machine is not completely wired. The manual override switch is nice. A little pricey tho