856 Mysterious 2 bolt holes

[FLtractor 151]

Afternoon,

 

Anyone know what these 2 threaded bolt holes on 856 are intended to be used for? And what size bolts fit inside by chance?

[kpinnc 17,647]

Those are for the PTO bracket that was available as an add on. 

 

8-3411 was the part number or similar. The same system came standard on later machines. 

 

I had the same thing on my Bronco for a while. 

 

 

[FLtractor 151]

1 hour ago, kpinnc said:

Those are for the PTO bracket that was available as an add on. 

 

8-3411 was the part number or similar. The same system came standard on later machines. 

 

I had the same thing on my Bronco for a while. 

 

 

Interesting.. wasn’t aware the 856 was available with an optional PTO since mine has neither rear or front PTO shafts… 

I’ve been thinking of mounting my fuel pump to those bolt holes since any other options even under fuel tank seem difficult given how my choke cable and fuel tank valve are situated 

[702854boy 626]

I thought those holes were for if you had a sickle bar mower, I never asked about it but that's just what I thought, I didn't realize you could get that style of pto on a short frame tractor

[ri702bill 11,640]

25 minutes ago, 702854boy said:

I thought those holes were for if you had a sickle bar mower, I never asked about it but that's just what I thought, I didn't realize you could get that style of pto on a short frame tractor

The lever style PTO was not offered on the 702 or 854 but could be retofitted to either - if you had all the pieces & patience....

[kpinnc 17,647]

1 hour ago, 702854boy said:

I didn't realize you could get that style of pto on a short frame tractor

 

I gave the wrong part number before. For 1 inch shaft engines, it was PT-7. 

 

PT-7 manual

 

The hard part to find is the engine pulley because it is so much smaller on pre 1968 machines. 

 

[Achto 31,436]

3 hours ago, kpinnc said:

 

I agree that those holes for the PTO that you have pictured. It is my understanding that this type of PTO was used on the big block models (10hp and up) The small block models used a PTO that was operated by your foot. Like the one on my 867 in the pic below. Probably same dash pedestal used on all models. 

 

If I'm wrong, please educate me. 

Edited Sunday at 11:19 PM by Achto

[kpinnc 17,647]

21 minutes ago, Achto said:

If I'm wrong, please educate me. 

 

I wouldn't say wrong, because it was before my time for certain. The 7363 pulley pictured above was key. 

 

But the manual page has the following listed:

 

 

Edited Sunday at 11:36 PM by kpinnc

[WHX?? 55,861]

15 minutes ago, Achto said:

this type of PTO was used on the big block models (10hp

Well yes and no ... big block in a short frame 1045 & 1055 still has the foot PTO. Long frames '66 and up yes side handle. 

[kpinnc 17,647]

Just now, WHX?? said:

Well yes and no ... big block in a short frame 1045 & 1055 still has the foot PTO. Long frames '66 and up yes side handle. 

 

Correct that the standard changed, but the PT-7 kit was only an add on option. 

[FLtractor 151]

4 hours ago, kpinnc said:

Those are for the PTO bracket that was available as an add on. 

 

8-3411 was the part number or similar. The same system came standard on later machines. 

 

I had the same thing on my Bronco for a while. 

 

 

I googled that part #.. and bought 2 bolts listed in the download description.. get home and they don’t fit those 2 holes above my 856 logo. Any chance you know what size fits in those holes?

Edited Sunday at 11:53 PM by FLtractor

[kpinnc 17,647]

1 hour ago, FLtractor said:

Any chance you know what size fits

 

This is on my 867, which should be the same. 1/4 x 20 threads. 

 

I used mine to mount a charging port... 

[702854boy 626]

What would the holes there on an 854 be then because all three of our 854s inclouding the one that is original, since the lever style pto didnt come out till 66. Looking in the sales brochures and people with sickles, I had assumed that they were for the mount that goes on the side of the dash stand to hold the bar up when no in use. 

[John2189 585]

1 hour ago, 702854boy said:

What would the holes there on an 854 be then because all three of our 854s inclouding the one that is original, since the lever style pto didnt come out till 66. Looking in the sales brochures and people with sickles, I had assumed that they were for the mount that goes on the side of the dash stand to hold the bar up when no in use.

here is where the sickle hold up rod is located on my 656. Don’t know if it’s in the right place or not, but it looks like it is in the right place. 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:43 AM by John2189

[kpinnc 17,647]

2 hours ago, 702854boy said:

What would the holes there on an 854 be then because all three of our 854s inclouding the one that is original, since the lever style pto didnt come out till 66.

 

Maybe the PTO just used those holes because they were already there. Who knows? Wheel Horse engineers did some "different" stuff, and were all about using what they had on hand. 

[Retired Wrencher 6,543]

FL tractor. We do not need this because every thing runs off the engine pulley. Many parts on these where mass produced so that particular area fit a lot of other frames. 

[Retired Wrencher 6,543]

10 hours ago, kpinnc said:

 

I wouldn't say wrong, because it was before my time for certain. The 7363 pulley pictured above was key. 

 

But the manual page has the following listed:

 

 

Thanks for the info Kpinnc. I saved it.

[FLtractor 151]

2 hours ago, Retired Wrencher said:

FL tractor. We do not need this because every thing runs off the engine pulley. Many parts on these where mass produced so that particular area fit a lot of other frames. 

Interesting thanks for the info 

[adsm08 4,314]

22 hours ago, 702854boy said:

What would the holes there on an 854 be then because all three of our 854s inclouding the one that is original, since the lever style pto didnt come out till 66. Looking in the sales brochures and people with sickles, I had assumed that they were for the mount that goes on the side of the dash stand to hold the bar up when no in use. 

 

On my 855 the bracket for the HY-2 pump is bolted down there.