brentonkjohnson 0 #1 Posted September 27, 2009 Can someone tell me the differences between the hookups for all of the attachments? Are the D series the only ones that came with a 3 pt hitch, drawbar and rear shaft pto? I need a small tractor to run a harrow, tandem disc, sickle bar, and possibly a small rake. It sounds like the D-series with the rear pto is the only series that can run all those? Am I pushing for too much out of a wheelhorse tractor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brentonkjohnson 0 #2 Posted September 27, 2009 I forgot to add that I'll be pulling through hard clay soil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WheelHorse_of_course 99 #3 Posted September 27, 2009 I forgot to add that I'll be pulling through hard clay soil. I would think a D series would be fine for all of those things, though finding a sickle bar could take some patience. But, as far as sickle bars the go on the side or front, so they would normally be driven from a belt PTO (I can't say for sure about the D series though). :hide: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brentonkjohnson 0 #4 Posted September 27, 2009 Can a C-series 160 do everything a D-series 160 can? Is the C-series more limited because of the type of hitch on the back? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 18,638 #5 Posted September 27, 2009 The size and weight of a D160 would give it more traction dealing with ground engaging implements. Are you sure you wouldn't find a small tractor with a 3 point hitch more useful Ford 8N or Case VAC(Eagle Hitch) . You would have a wider selection of 3 point implements available. Also ground engaging equipment use outs more strain on a drive system. The old gear drive farm tractors are cheaper to fix than a hydro..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
can whlvr 994 #6 Posted September 27, 2009 A c160 does not have the 3 point or the shaft drive on the rear but could handle all of the tasks you mentioned but maybe not as easy as a d,you could opt to look for a tiller for the c,which are common and would break up the clay,there were other tractors that had the 3point such as the c 195,but not very common,at least up here in ontario,i have never seen one myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brentonkjohnson 0 #7 Posted September 27, 2009 I just went and looked at 1974 D-160 per the model number. Nice running Kohler 16 horse but there isn't a pto or 3 pt on the back. I'm confused...as I thought the D-series had those on the back? Was it just an option? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rollerman 290 #8 Posted September 27, 2009 I just went and looked at 1974 D-160 per the model number. Nice running Kohler 16 horse but there isn't a pto or 3 pt on the back. I'm confused...as I thought the D-series had those on the back? Was it just an option? Actually yes. I think the D200 may have come with all the goodies standard, but the 18Auto, D180, & D160 single & twin you had to add the steering brakes, 3PH, & rear PTO as an option. The C's are a tuff little tractor & with an 8 speed very simp-le & rugged. The D's have a lot of weight to them & more traction than the smaller C series. But you are still useing the same trans & hydro that the C series has. How much ground are you intending to work? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brentonkjohnson 0 #9 Posted September 27, 2009 Well, we have 35 acres but most of it is pasture. I keep about 5 acres or so in native turkey/dove/quail habitat...mowing, discing and seeding. I don't have to do a whole lot at any one time though. We also mow and spray (organically of course) about a one acre orchard. I did find a small rake for them at smallfarminnovations.com...pretty pricey though. Sounds like I won't be able to add a rear pto if it didn't come with one but I could add a 3 pt hitch right? I think I've seen them on ebay before haven't I? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d180man 5 #10 Posted September 27, 2009 I just went and looked at 1974 D-160 per the model number. Nice running Kohler 16 horse but there isn't a pto or 3 pt on the back. I'm confused...as I thought the D-series had those on the back? Was it just an option? Hi what i know was the 3pt & pto was a option on d160 and i think 3pt it came with d180 but the pto was a option and d200 came with the 3pt and pto and the brakes was a option on them but you can put a 3pt & pto on all d160,d180 & d200 but we love the d's but i have seen a to20 for ford 9 or 8 n sall for 1000.00 wwith mower same time but good luck! :hide: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wh500special 2,262 #11 Posted September 27, 2009 I hate to blaspheme in the WH temple, but I think you'd be wise to skip over the WH D-series and move straight into a small compact utility tractor (CUT) like an 8N Ford or something similar. Diesel power is even better. While the D-series WH's were the "big guys" in the lineup, they really haven't impressed me with their ground working capabilities. When equipped with the wide "floatation" rear tires it doesn't seem to matter how much ballasting you add, they just never develope much pulling power. So if your ground is hard as you indicate, I think you'd spend a lot of time spinning wheels instead of making any progress with a moldboard plow or a disk. In my clay the properly set up plow on the D did virtually nothing but frustrate me...so I sold it. The tillers on the D-series - available both in 38" and 50" widths - are an excellent tiller. But their achilles' heel is the pinion gear on the input shaft which seems to fail with some regularity. The three point hitch on the D's can be set up to provide "down pressure" on the tiller which can exasperate the weakness. 3pt/PTO was not standard equipment on all the D's. I believe it was standard only on the early D200's and was optional on the remainder. Later, it became strictly optional equipment. The D's actually work quite well in most instances for most people, but I think you will quickly find that your application is not typical. I think you'd just be asking too much from the D and would run into failures here and there that might be frustrating. At one point I owned all of the D's except a D200. I am down to only an 18-Auto (which is functionally the same as a D-180) and a D250...which is a horse of a different color. I found on my property that the D's really didn't cut the mustard and employed the use of a small Ford utility tractor to do what I hoped the D would handle. Utility tractors have a category 1 3pt hitch. The D's had a cat 0. Utility tractors typically have a 540rpm PTO. Most garden tractors had a 2000rpm. Finding implements for the cat1/540rpm arrangement is about 100 times easier than finding stuff for GT's. They tend to be cheaper too and can be had in all kinds of performance levels from the lowly stuff sold at TSC to the heavy duty stuff peddled by full line implement dealers. If you go the D-route it seems that parts/attachments are much more readily available now due to the internet than they were even 5 years ago, but they still pale in comparison to C-series stuff. Hitches and shafts are regularly seen separately on eBay in the $200+ range. Cat 0 implements can be found too if you don't limit your search to WH items and instead look for Brinly, Brantly, Agrifab, Deere, Cub, etc. If I had to do it over again, I'd still have gone for the utility tractor for my application. I love the D's as a representative model of WH's best-effort at heavy duty use, but it seems that life is just sooooo much easier on the CUT/diesel pathway. Get more done, have more fun; Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rollerman 290 #12 Posted September 27, 2009 With that much room I'd think you'd be happier with a small vintage farm tractor. You can get a Ford, IH, AC or many others that would fit the bill your asking a D to do & have power to spare. The D's are great & I'm not trying to talk Wheel Horses down, But I think you'll out grow even a D. Most of the cat1 3PH implements for a Ford 2,8, or 9 N sized tractor can be had cheaper than D implements too. (Edit Steve you beat me to the CUT/Vintage small tractor talk) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 18,638 #13 Posted September 28, 2009 After reading the description of your property and usage I would reiterate that that a small vintage farm tractor would make more sense. I have 43 acres. I have about 6 acres in pine trees that I am mowing between using some of my WHs. Some other pasture area I cut with a 6' finish mower behind a 1951 Case VAC ( same class a Ford 2,9,8Ns). Some fields I cut only once a year with a 7' Sickle bar hooked to a 1953 Case DC (same class as Farmall M). The farm tractors are much faster and importantly with the larger tires ride ever so much better over the rougher fields. Implements new and used are much more widely available and often much cheaper than WH. (Example I paid $150 for a 7' Case Sickle bar mower in good shape. Most of the much smaller WH ones go for 300+ and D series sickles are harder to find.) Also I frequently see used 2 bottom moldboard plows and 5-6 ft disk for cat 1 hitches selling for no more at local auctions than the smaller ones for Cat 0 equipment. I paid about $1000 for each of my Case Tractors, a decent D series with PTO and 3pt will cost you more than that. (A side note, not to knock Ford 8Ns tehy are good tractors but they are very popular and will cost you considerably more to buy than an equivilent Case or AC. (If you get a D with out them the 3 point is going to cost 2-300 and the PTO over 100. As was indicated it is a Cat 0 3pt and the PTO is a very non standard speed..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brentonkjohnson 0 #14 Posted September 29, 2009 Good information...thanks for your help. I will probably start with a Wheelhorse and figure out what I can and can't do with it then I might have to upgrade from there to a larger tractor. Even if it only mows and discs a small garden I will be happy with it for now. I am looking at a 1974 D-160 again...it doesn't have the three point or pto but I have seen them on ebay for around the prices that you quoted above. What lifts the 3 point up and down? If there are not levers on the dash is there an aftermarket hydraulic kit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 18,638 #15 Posted September 29, 2009 Good information...thanks for your help. I will probably start with a Wheelhorse and figure out what I can and can't do with it then I might have to upgrade from there to a larger tractor. Even if it only mows and discs a small garden I will be happy with it for now. I am looking at a 1974 D-160 again...it doesn't have the three point or pto but I have seen them on ebay for around the prices that you quoted above. What lifts the 3 point up and down? If there are not levers on the dash is there an aftermarket hydraulic kit? There is a hydraulic lift cylinder that is part of the 3pt hitch setup it runs off the hydro pump via a double control valve on the dash. (on valve is for mid mount cylinder the other for 3 pt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites