Tires for 856 Wheelhorse question

[FLtractor 69]

Will these fit a 856 23x8x12.. worth the $ for what they are? 200 mile roundtrip drive 
Only pictures from listing.
Thank you 

[adsm08 3,757]

Probably not. They are too narrow to fit the factory wheels, and those look like 6-lugs, the originals for an 856 are 5-lug.

[ebinmaine 75,273]

Doesn't seem so.  

 

The 8.8- 22 is likely the size.  

Quite a bit bigger than your own. 

22 is the rim size. 

[FLtractor 69]

3 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Doesn't seem so.  

 

The 8.8- 22 is likely the size.  

Quite a bit bigger than your own. 

22 is the rim size. 

The add says 8.8-22. Can you tell me what that number means in relation to my 856 rear of 23x8x12? What would or should I go with? 

[FLtractor 69]

4 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Doesn't seem so.  

 

The 8.8- 22 is likely the size.  

Quite a bit bigger than your own. 

22 is the rim size. 

Thank you for prompt reply 

[ebinmaine 75,273]

1 minute ago, FLtractor said:

The add says 8.8-22. Can you tell me what that number means in relation to my 856 rear of 23x8x12? What would or should I go with? 

 

 

I'm not positive here....

I believe the 8.8 is the "advertised width" of the tire. The 22 should be the wheel diameter.  

 

Many (most?) Garden Tractor tires are on a 12" wheel. 

The middle number is the width. 

The first number is the outer diameter of the tire.  

 

There are a few tires that don't get even remotely close to the actual size with their advertised size. 

 

 

You may very well find that getting two new tires is far easier and less expensive than shopping for usable used ones.  Factor in your own time and fuel. 

 

 

[ri702bill 10,422]

10 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

There are a few tires that don't get even remotely close to the actual size with their advertised size. 

Deestones are notorious for running on the SMALL end of the scale...

[ri702bill 10,422]

13 hours ago, FLtractor said:

Will these fit a 856 23x8x12..

That size is not original to a 856. The 6-12 would be Those are from a later tractor like a B or C series - and the wider tires DO give you a wider track and more stability. New same size as what you have tires may be the way to go.

Edited yesterday at 02:18 PM by ri702bill

[FLtractor 69]

4 hours ago, ri702bill said:

That size is not original to a 856. The 6-12 would be Those are from a later tractor like a B or C series - and the wider tires DO give you a wider track and more stability. New same size as what you have tires may be the way to go.

So Orginal wheelhouse size tires for my 856 would be 23x6x12? Given I may eventually very well may need both rear tires AND wheels given how rusty they are from the calcium chloride? Filled, is there a certian place new that’s highly recommended for getting the needed Wheelhorse wheels and tires together these days? 

Edited yesterday at 06:45 PM by FLtractor

[ri702bill 10,422]

Calcium chloride is the rim killer over time. Attracts moisture and rots the rims from the inside out.... Rimguard (beet juice) does not.

Look at pictures of other 856's - and the IPM parts list to verify the original tire & rim size. Your tractor, your choice.

Most folks pick up a pair of used rims and new tires of their choice. Then mount them at home...

Edited 20 hours ago by ri702bill

[sqrlgtr 1,205]

here is couple pics I posted a while back of my 856 on the difference between Deestone and Carlisle tires both 23x8.50x12 on same size rim. Ive had good luck with the deestones but you can see how much smaller they run.... They are usally quite a bit cheaper though.

[FLtractor 69]

3 hours ago, sqrlgtr said:

here is couple pics I posted a while back of my 856 on the difference between Deestone and Carlisle tires both 23x8.50x12 on same size rim. Ive had good luck with the deestones but you can see how much smaller they run.... They are usally quite a bit cheaper though.

Thank you for the measurements and info. Do you or someone else know if this is a legit website? Says they’ve sold over 1 million tires and prices seem very cheap. Giga-tires.com

Accidentally posted this vice grip garage video I was watching and can’t figure out how to remove it. 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by FLtractor

[wallfish 18,719]

3 hours ago, sqrlgtr said:

but you can see how much smaller they run

Not sure that 3/4" to 1" of difference is a large amount but that could probably be made up with tire pressure. 

[sqrlgtr 1,205]

12 hours ago, wallfish said:

Not sure that 3/4" to 1" of difference is a large amount but that could probably be made up with tire pressure. 

 I don't want to be around when you try and make them Deestones as big as the Carlisles by putting more air in them. 

[Retired Wrencher 6,130]

Another great video by vice grip garage he is a bit  quirky,but he knows what he is doing. I enjoyed all his vid`s. Thanks @FLtractor for posting this.

Edited 9 hours ago by Retired Wrencher

[adsm08 3,757]

12 hours ago, FLtractor said:

Do you or someone else know if this is a legit website? Says they’ve sold over 1 million tires and prices seem very cheap. Giga-tires.com

 

Using the amazing Google Machine I have found the following:

 

Giga-tires has a Walmart vendor store, so they exist to some degree. They do not seem to be a reputable or reliable seller based on this Reddit thread:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/tires/comments/18ypzjy/is_gigatires_a_reputable_place_to_buy_from_they/&ved=2ahUKEwiw4t-e-qORAxW3kIkEHXm-CDoQFnoECBQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1gdGDEryEqtDPotMtesMVl

 

I know those prices are great, but I would find somewhere else to buy.

Edited 9 hours ago by adsm08

[702854boy 352]

32 minutes ago, sqrlgtr said:

 I don't want to be around when you try and make them Deestones as big as the Carlisles by putting more air in them. 

When I was mounting our deestones, they said they had a max inflation of 35 psi, boy would that be a bumpy and hard ride 

[702854boy 352]

12 hours ago, FLtractor said:

Accidentally posted this vice grip garage video I was watching and can’t figure out how to remove it. 

There's nothing wrong with some Vice Grip Garage

[ebinmaine 75,273]

12 hours ago, wallfish said:

Not sure that 3/4" to 1" of difference is a large amount but that could probably be made up with tire pressure. 

 

 

Ain't very big but remember that's all the way around the tire.

 

 

[wallfish 18,719]

7 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

 

Ain't very big but remember that's all the way around the tire.

 

 

According to the tape measure in those pictures. That's the total height it raised the tractor so adjustment could probably be made to compensate. Some air in one set and less in the other

Edited 1 hour ago by wallfish

[wallfish 18,719]

8 hours ago, sqrlgtr said:

 I don't want to be around when you try and make them Deestones as big as the Carlisles by putting more air in them. 

 The pictures are a bit of an optical illusion as the smaller tires are actually on the right pic.

The total amount the tractor height raised with the bigger tires is only 3/4"-1" higher. Pressure could also be let out of the Carlise tires too. 

 

[ebinmaine 75,273]

9 minutes ago, wallfish said:

Not according to the tape measure in those pictures. That's the total height it raised the tractor

 

 

Yessir I see that.  In all reality it probably doesn't matter much unless you're really close to the ground already like we are up here quite often.

 

The other reason it would matter is, I like the fender well to be full of tire, not airspace. That's what I mean when I say it would be the size lost, all the way around.

Those Deestones lose three quarter inch on the bottom and lower the tractor that much.... and they also lose it on the top which means there's that much more air gap.

 

[wallfish 18,719]

Just now, ebinmaine said:

 

The other reason it would matter is, I like the fender well to be full of tire, not airspace.

I prefer that look as well

[Handy Don 14,957]

9 minutes ago, wallfish said:

 The pictures are a bit of an optical illusion as the smaller tires are actually on the right pic.

The total amount the tractor height raised with the bigger tires is only 3/4"-1" higher. Pressure could also be let out of the Carlise tires too. 

 

2” overall height difference--23 to 21? Maybe 9% smaller? Big saving when making 000’s of tires.

Smaller tires = greater torque (as if we really taxed our WHs) and slower speed (maybe 5.5 instead of 6.0 mph?)

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Handy Don

[ebinmaine 75,273]

Just now, wallfish said:

I prefer that look as well

 

 

Wait till you get to see my formerly Tecumseh horse, future Briggs horse.

 

That thing has 24-12-12 on it.