Why we will always need Red Square and the hive mind....

[meadowfield 2,732]

Alien concept for many, but my day job is as tech as it gets, designing consumer electronics. We are slowly embracing Ai for some tasks - and it is remarkably good.

 

For other tasks, it is less so!

 

I asked....

 

"what is the difference between a wheel horse suburban 400 and a wheel horse suburban 551 garden tractor?"

 

the reply

 

The Wheel Horse Suburban 400 and Suburban 551 are both classic garden tractors, but they differ in several key aspects:

1. Model Lineage and Positioning:

   • Suburban 400: Part of the earlier Suburban series, typically from the 1960s-1970s, designed as a versatile, compact garden tractor.
   • Suburban 551: Introduced later, also part of the Suburban line, with updates and improvements over earlier models, from around the late 1970s to early 1980s.

2. Engine and Power:

   • Suburban 400: Usually equipped with a smaller, 12-14 HP engine like an Onan or Kohler, suitable for light to moderate tasks.
   • Suburban 551: Generally features a larger engine, around 16-18 HP, providing more power for heavier tasks.

3. Design and Features:

   • Suburban 400: Simpler, with basic features, and a more traditional design.
   • Suburban 551: May include newer features, improved comfort, and sometimes more attachments or options.

4. Production Years and Use:

   • Suburban 400: Older, more common in the 1960s-1970s.
   • Suburban 551: Later model, reflecting advancements in design and engineering.

5. Compatibility and Attachments:

   • Both models support similar attachments like mowing decks, loaders, and cultivators, but the specific compatibility can vary depending on the year and configuration.

In summary: The main differences are in their era, engine power, and design improvements, with the Suburban 551 generally offering more power and newer features than the Suburban 400.

If you're considering restoring or replacing parts, I recommend checking the exact serial number and specifications for the specific tractor, as features can vary within the line.

 

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I think we are safe from computers for a while yet 

[meadowfield 2,732]

it did continue....

 

 

I didn't want to carry on too far...

 

 

[Sparky-(Admin) 23,106]

So true! 
  AI is probably way more accurate with modern day facts. 
 

[ri702bill 9,333]

"Rise of the Machines" !! 

[lynnmor 7,786]

I'll be glad when this latest scam dies and we can get back to doing things that really matter.

[8ntruck 7,763]

I know basically that AI is a large database sorting program.  Beyond that, I've never given it much more thought.  Hay, i'm retired and I don't need to learn about things like that anymore - right?

 

I recently listened to a podcast interview of Mark Cuban.  He commented that using an AI on something was sort of like having an army of researchers combing through the world's libraries gathering data on whatever question you posed to the AI. 

 

That kind of turned a light on in my mind as to how an AI can be useful.   Obviously,  one needs to ask the correct and properly stated question to produce useful answers.  AIs apparently follow the GIGO computer rule - garbage in, garbage out.

 

I might have to learn more about them.

Edited Tuesday at 03:17 PM by 8ntruck

[SylvanLakeWH 28,296]

HAL the computer (Space Odyssey 2001) is here...

interesting tidbit... go up one letter from each letter in HAL

 

H - I

A - B

L - M

 

"I'm sorry Dave... I'm afraid I can’t do that..."

 

Not a fan and think pandora was child's play in comparison...

[AlexR 1,792]

Yes the 4hp K321 hahaha man that's a horrible running engine. 

[Handy Don 13,948]

3 hours ago, 8ntruck said:

the GIGO computer rule - garbage in, garbage out.

Hmmm. The version I remember is Garbage in -- Gospel out. 

 

The concept of a large sort for a machine learning or large language model is generally in the right direction, but add in a weighting system somewhat like a Bayesian that, during training (or whenever given feedback) iteratively alters the sort criteria. It is those millions (or billions) of tiny criteria that constitute the “knowledge.” And, it is because those criteria are so fine-grained and interconnected that identifying the exact reason for an answer to a given prompt is stupendously hard.

And further, it is why when a falsehood gets trained into a model it is pretty much impossible to correct (that sounds kinda human to me)--generally, the model must be completely rebuilt from “ground truth” once the falsehood has been removed. And where does “ground truth” come from? Ah, grasshopper!

[JoeM 8,275]

2 hours ago, Handy Don said:

And where does

EB's 42,000 plus posts? EB

 

going back in time and thinking about adjusting algorithms, I remember the more input criteria the more output chance of a false positive. 

If your looking for close enough it can work, but with precise output.....now we have a problem. 

If this is that then that will be this! The operation will not work.  

[953 nut 59,716]

3 hours ago, Handy Don said:

The version I remember is Garbage in -- Gospel out. 

Don, that is the interned, not AI.   But, AI searches the internet soooo once AI has blessed it the garbage becomes gospel.

 

I did my own little test run and had similar results as @meadowfield. I asked AI what the differences were between the Wheel Horse model 953 and model 1054. I thought I knew all the little subtle differences (there are hardly any) but to my surprise substantial changes were made that I was totally unaware of. 

 

 

According to AI

 

difference between a wheel horse 953 and a 1054

 

AI Overview

+1

 

The Wheel Horse 953 and 1054 models are both rear-engine tractors, but the 1054 is a larger, more robust machine. The 1054 is about a foot longer and 6 inches taller than the 953. Additionally, the fuel tank location differs; the 1054 typically has the fuel tank in front of the steering wheel, while the 953 has a rear-mounted fuel tank. 

 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Size:

  The 1054 is a larger tractor, noticeable in its increased length and height compared to the 953. 

   
• Fuel Tank:

  The 953 and 1054 models generally differ in fuel tank placement. The 1054 is known for having the fuel tank positioned in front of the steering wheel, while the 953 typically has a rear-mounted fuel tank. 

   
• Chassis:

  The 1056 model (which shares some similarities with the 1054) has a different chassis compared to the 953, indicating distinct frame designs for each model, according to a post on a Facebook group about Wheel Horse tractors. 

   
• Year Differences:

  The 953 and 1054 models were produced in the 1960s and early 1970s. 

[Beap52 1,386]

This AI stuff is way too deep for me.  

 

My current laptop is giving me grief,  Sometimes when I turn it on, all I get is a black screen.  I take the back cover off and unplug battery, plug it back in and it runs fine until it doesn't.  Nothing mechanical that I am aware of I think it's in the electronics--and I wonder if I have reached the work cycles set  up by some computer programmer. 

 

My son in law, who loves fiddling with computers, has bought and setting me a new one.  Once I get the password from him I'll start using it.  I hope it's not a bunch different than this one I've used for the past six years or so. 

 

Aggravatin' things!

[EB-80/8inPA 1,844]

3 hours ago, 953 nut said:

I thought I knew all the little subtle differences (there are hardly any) but to my surprise substantial changes were made that I was totally unaware of.

It would not surprise me to learn the AI you used derived much of those insights by digesting in their entirety the relevant portions of this very site after spitting out the non relevant ones.

[ri702bill 9,333]

14 hours ago, AlexR said:

Yes the 4hp K321 hahaha man that's a horrible running engine. 

And that big block throws off a lot of heat between your shins.... 

[Retired Wrencher 5,755]

@meadowfield I can agree with your post. To me it is a little scary. What AI is gonna become in our world 15 to 20 years from now. How knows what  they will take over a lot or everything. I won’t be around to see it. Hopefully, it does more good than bad.